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  1.   Tyler posted:
  10.03.2017 - 11:44 am
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For those trying to figure out stage points, MRN has a whole stats page
just for that.

http://www.mrn.com/Race-Series/NASCAR-Sprint-Cup/Statistics/Additional-Statistics/Season-Stats/2017-Stage-Points-NASCAR-Cup-Series.aspx


  2.   52 posted:
  10.03.2017 - 1:05 pm
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remember a few years ago, they thought we was too stupid to keep up with
points, the old latford system. now you have to have a degree in
statistics to keep up with points.


  3.   Jonathan King posted:
  10.03.2017 - 1:09 pm
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Not really, it seems pretty self explanatory to me, but that is just me.


  4.   Chase24Fan posted:
  10.03.2017 - 4:16 pm
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The only question I have about the points is, after the 2nd round, do
the guys that didn't advance to top 8 reset back to 2000+ points they
have earned like the old days?

So essentially, anyone that doesn't make the top 4 to Homestead, has a
shot at finishing 5th in points?


  5.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  10.03.2017 - 5:00 pm
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NASCAR has released the 2018 rules package.

Overall downforce for the cars is 1650lbs. 120lbs less then this year.

One rear gear for all tracks, minus track repaved or changed.

Spoiler remains the same 2.375in tall by 61in wide.

No rear steer remains.

Smaller aero fans on the corners of the cars.

Front sub frame rules modded too reduce areo development.

At superspeedways no ride height rule. Plate size (7/8 of a inch)
remains the same. Also no more rear shock and spring rules.

IDR (Incident Data Recorder) will be added and powered by the cars
battery. Letting NASCAR watch a crash before it happenes.

Teams only have 13 engines too run with next year but can choose what
races too run them. They will be sealed too prevent tampering.

Back up cars must be unloaded with an engine.

That is all.


  6.   Chase24Fan posted:
  10.03.2017 - 5:04 pm
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Some pretty big changes.


  7.   Ferret posted:
  10.03.2017 - 5:59 pm
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Not sure how I feel about the new rules package, though one rear gear
is, basically, one locked final drive ratio, correct or am I reading it
wrong?

Also no ride height rule at plate tracks yet they want to discourage
aero development? I'm not sure if it's my sleep deprived mind but I just
feel that's horribly counter productive...

I like the IDR, it's how long since other series have had similar
systems in place, if it helps safety I'm all for it

The 13 engines for 30+ races, not a fan of it, that's creeping toward F1
type engine restrictions and hurts the smaller teams potentially

Smaller fans on the corners, by that do they mean the canard type bits
that stik out on the corners?

Less downforce yet the spoiler remains the same? Hw? Okay how's that
work then? Unless they're slicing it off all the 200X F1 style aero
appendages that, frankly, need to go off the cars anyhow


  8.   Ferret posted:
  10.03.2017 - 6:02 pm
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One more: Am I the only one who prefers MRN's coverage of everything bar
the road races to the TV coverage?

I just feel the radio coverage flows better honestly and you get a
better feel of the race without jumping around with onboard feeds,
though that may just point the finger at the networks for how awful they
cover the sport IMHO


  9.   SadlerMan2119 posted:
  10.03.2017 - 7:22 pm
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It's time to play that weekly game again... WHO WILL BE IN THE NUMBER 51?


  10.   Brad posted:
  10.03.2017 - 8:08 pm
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^^^ im gonna say B.J. Or possibly Ray Black Jr again. That's my guess,
but who knows


  11.   Matt posted:
  10.03.2017 - 8:10 pm
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The only question I have left about the chase is, will there be stage
racing at homestead? Unless the stage and playoff points carry over to
next year, the four championship drivers will not have the need for them
in the best-finisher takes all format. I see how they could affect the
non-chase drivers and 5-16 in the chase, but we all know the TV won't
care about anyone but the championship 4, respectively so.


  12.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  10.03.2017 - 8:22 pm
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"though one rear gear is, basically, one locked final drive ratio,
correct or am I reading it wrong?"

That is basically what it is if I too am reading it correctly.


"Also no ride height rule at plate tracks yet they want to discourage
aero development? I'm not sure if it's my sleep deprived mind but I just
feel that's horribly counter productive..."

According too NASCAR it is too increase the take off speed by about
30mph. Therefore making it harder for the cars too blow over or something.

"The 13 engines for 30+ races, not a fan of it, that's creeping toward
F1 type engine restrictions and hurts the smaller teams potentially"

"cost saving" means "Teams will spend their damn money anyway."

"Smaller fans on the corners, by that do they mean the canard type bits
that stik out on the corners?"

Maybe the brake fans or something. Who the hell knows what goes on
underneath those cars.

"Less downforce yet the spoiler remains the same? Hw? Okay how's that
work then? Unless they're slicing it off all the 200X F1 style aero
appendages that, frankly, need to go off the cars anyhow"

Most likely underneath the cars is where the downforce is reduced.
Junior said that teams are 'tricking' the underside of the cars too get
more downforce.


  13.   Ferret posted:
  10.03.2017 - 8:44 pm
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Somehow I doubt the cars can be made to take off at higher speeds
without a redesign of the cars however as has been seen at plate tracks
before though...

Also the final fall oval race for now unless the schedule
changed....again, last I checked in May this event would swap to the
infield roval course.

Also, yeah,, is it just me or is NASCAR snaking toward a spec formula
appproach with the rules?


  14.   Jonathan King posted:
  10.03.2017 - 8:52 pm
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Changes always happen in NASCAR, I am too lazy to care about this crap.
But we shouldn't be worried about the cars, but who will drive the cars.
But, to give my input on the engines, I think that that is a great move
because not only does that save money to build new engines, but also if
a chaser blows an engine during the chase, it will be interesting to see
how that affects them throughout the playoffs. But one thing that I
don't like is trying to not make the cars flip over with a lower weight,
trust me when I say no matter what you do, NASCAR, you can't prevent a
car flipping over, no matter how hard you try.


  15.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  10.03.2017 - 9:20 pm
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"Also, yeah,, is it just me or is NASCAR snaking toward a spec formula
appproach with the rules?"

Xfinity series already has composite bodies. If I remember correctly a
few of the cars in the last race were composite bodies. ARCA runs them
and they are supposed tamper proof and that any tampering is easily
found. Next year Xfinity will run all composite bodies next year. Cup
will have them in the not too distant future.

"But one thing that I don't like is trying to not make the cars flip
over with a lower weight,"

You misunderstand. They are getting rid of the ride height rules,
nothing too do with weight of the car itself. Cars will still weigh
3300lbs.


  16.   Leo posted:
  10.03.2017 - 9:30 pm
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"Less downforce yet the spoiler remains the same? Hw? Okay how's that
work then?"

Spoilers don't create downforce, they reduce drag.


  17.   JSPorts posted:
  10.03.2017 - 9:35 pm
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This isn't that drastic a rules change. I think something that would
help NASCAR a lot is to go to rules that massively cut costs. This would
help make racing less of a sponsor-driven business, because it could be
affordable for a lot of owners to come race who may not have been able
to previously.


  18.   Ferret posted:
  10.03.2017 - 9:42 pm
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Ah I always thought the spoiler created some form of downforce on the
back of the car, though granted I'm probably thinking of the Gen4 ars
and pre-COT and going by info from 2006 and before...that being said I
do think they need to figure out a good aero package that does three things

1. Allows less aero sensitive racing

2. Makes it so the cars don't flip over as easily

3. Looks good on the track

Also cutting costs, yeah, like that'll happen...much as we want it
to...I wish it would however


  19.   rm posted:
  10.03.2017 - 10:44 pm
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Going back to the 51 team...I think the only other race Ray Black Jr.
has lined up is Texas. Despite being really slow, his Cup debut - much
like the Cup debut of Ryan Reed a year ago - was very uneventful and no
large crashes were started, much to the chagrin of race fans online.
Bringing it home in one piece is about all you can ask from anyone in
that poor poor car.

Anyway I'll guess BJ McLeod gets the nod.


  20.   Danish Pie posted:
  10.04.2017 - 4:10 pm
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#66 will be Timmy Hill.

The first time this year MBM enters the 66 two weeks in a row. (Not
counting the Open and withdrawing from Charlotte in the spring.)


  21.   JSPorts posted:
  10.04.2017 - 4:26 pm
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I hope they can find some sponsorship to run more in 2018; Carl Long is
just a really likable guy who got screwed by NASCR big-time. And Timmy
Hill is a good driver who normally does a good job taking care of his
equipment, even if he's never had great equipment to show his true
talent in.


  22.   Jonathan King posted:
  10.04.2017 - 5:16 pm
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I want to make a correction about my last comment, it was 2009 that he
made the mistake, not 2011.


  23.   Jonathan King posted:
  10.04.2017 - 5:16 pm
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I don't think Carl got screwed with the ban, he just had to overcome
adversity. I think Carl can be a good owner, he just needs to make sure
that he never makes a big mistake like 2011 again.


  24.   Newman31 posted:
  10.04.2017 - 6:54 pm
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"Carl Long is just a really likable guy who got screwed by NASCR big-time"

Yet he was able to return the next year.


  25.   Anthony posted:
  10.04.2017 - 7:38 pm
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NASCAR let him back because the fields were not full and saw it as the
best way to get an extra car or two


  26.   Danish Pie posted:
  10.04.2017 - 8:57 pm
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I always respected Carl. Never turned his back on the sport despite
having every reason to do so after a controversial penalty that would
have put any other owner in his position out of NASCAR entirely. He did
what he had to do to keep his foot in the door to be an Owner again, and
he continues to bring two or even sometimes three Xfinity cars to the
track each week, and more importantly the Cup car any weeks he can. He
is also putting a second Cup chassis together for Martinsville, so MBM
will hopefully have two Cup cars at their disposal.
If they both stay intact, I would love to see Carl attempt the 500 next
year. Would be a treat to see him make it after so many attempts coming
up short on the 2000's.

@25 He was actually allowed back in the Cup garage at the beginning of
2017, he could have started running races as early as Atlanta if he
wanted too. He didn't presumably because of costs.


  27.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  10.05.2017 - 5:58 pm
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Carl Long couldn't race in Cup because of the fine but he could race
else where (Xfinity, Truck, K&N and modifieds). So he wasn't banned.


  28.   Altracing posted:
  10.05.2017 - 6:21 pm
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Well, I'm going to make my predictions as to who will be eliminated from
this round. Again this is based off the last time the cup guys raced at
the three tracks in this round and based off their finish, average
running position, and driver rating during the race. With that being
said there are some surprises in my predictions but again this is who I
feel will be eliminated and the drivers are Blaney, Elliott, Keselowski,
and Larson


  29.   Newman31 posted:
  10.05.2017 - 7:29 pm
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"Carl Long couldn't race in Cup because of the fine but he could race
else where (Xfinity, Truck, K&N and modifieds). So he wasn't banned."

Thank you! That's what I was saying in post 24.


  30.   1995z71 posted:
  10.05.2017 - 11:45 pm
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Sad no Elliot Sadler/TBR's #7. First time since 2008 that TBR isn't on
an entry list for a plate race. At least Tommy Baldwin is still a crew
chief for this race.


  31.   Gray Gaulding's Distant Cousin posted:
  10.06.2017 - 12:21 am
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This is Charlotte not a plate race?

Also this race will be battling the Tropical Storm Nate that could be
floating over Charlotte Saturday or Sunday and this could cause some
serious schedule issues! Like I heard they may have to reschedule the
race post homestead if circumstances go certain ways.


  32.   Stewart14rocks posted:
  10.06.2017 - 5:55 am
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Luckily the storm isnt expected to reach charlotte till monday


  33.   Greg24ChaseFan posted:
  10.06.2017 - 7:13 am
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Should have just kept the race Sat night.


  34.   Greg24ChaseFan posted:
  10.06.2017 - 7:17 am
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32. Sunday looks pretty wet unfortunately. Monday looks to be the better
day. Honestly it looks like a race to halfway.


  35.   Incognito posted:
  10.06.2017 - 7:26 am
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I think you're confused; this is the entry list for Charlotte.


  36.   StenhouseFan17 posted:
  10.06.2017 - 7:26 am
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Unless I missed somethin major, there still are no restrictor plates at
Charlotte.


  37.   Dan posted:
  10.06.2017 - 7:26 am
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#30 - "First time since 2008 that TBR isn't on an entry list for a plate
race."

Yeah, Charlotte isn't a plate track. Dega & Daytona are.


  38.   Greg24ChaseFan posted:
  10.06.2017 - 10:40 am
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The last BOA 500(fall race) on the oval? Or is next year a one off?


  39.   Jonathan King posted:
  10.06.2017 - 12:28 pm
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51 is BJ McLeod


  40.   Tide1732 posted:
  10.06.2017 - 5:27 pm
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Kevin Harvick will win it!


  41.   Allen posted:
  10.06.2017 - 9:29 pm
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@28, Larson and Brad K will have to DNF all 3 races to be eliminated


  42.   95McDowellFan posted:
  10.06.2017 - 9:33 pm
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BK Racing's ECU's are locked in the garage area, might not be racing at
all on Sunday, or whenever this race happens


  43.   Sector posted:
  10.06.2017 - 9:34 pm
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"@28, Larson and Brad K will have to DNF all 3 races to be eliminated"

Two. Larson can DNF twice and finish the common runner-up finish and
still miss it. Brad Keselowski also, however Brad Keselowski is known to
be a pretty clutch driver when the situation heats up.


  44.   Anonymous posted:
  10.06.2017 - 10:41 pm
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#42 I noticed they didnt practice or qualifying. What does ECU stand for???


  45.   Sector posted:
  10.06.2017 - 11:04 pm
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I've seen it posted on a comment section before, however my question is
does anyone know where to find or keep tab on the yearly champions by
different point structures? IndyCar/Formula 1/NASCAR Latford/Chase
04-10/Chase 11-13/Chase/14-16/Playoff Eras, and so on?


  46.   Gray Gaulding's Distant Cousin posted:
  10.06.2017 - 11:10 pm
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Electronic Control Unit. I forget what it does though.


  47.   Scott B posted:
  10.07.2017 - 1:03 am
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"BK Racing's ECU's are locked in the garage area"

What is up with this, does NASCAR think they've been cheating? I mean,
they finish 5 laps down every week, I don't think they've found an
advantage.


  48.   Scott B posted:
  10.07.2017 - 1:09 am
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Aah, I see. It appears to be a dispute about unpaid bills. Which is the
about the only time BK gets mentioned in the garage area.

They are not long for this sport.


  49.   JeffGordon24FanForever posted:
  10.07.2017 - 11:06 am
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Race moved to 1:10 p.m. Sunday as Nate has picked up speed.


  50.   possum posted:
  10.07.2017 - 11:42 am
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Some thoughts on the tech comments:

@5 - thanks for posting that. These are basically bad rules, altho very
typical for how NASCAR thinks. In specific: 1650lbs is about 1000lbs too
much downforce. One rear gear takes away the teams ability to tune for
the track, the rule serves no purpose and should be eliminated. Same for
no rear steer, the rule should be eliminated. Removing the shock/spring
rules is good, no ride height is bad. The IDR is good. Limits on engines
is bad (altho one per race weekend is reasonable).

@12 - yeah, the ride height ostensibly to keep the cars on the ground. I
don't think NASCAR actually knows what the aero effect is - Racecar
Engineering did an article on their tech center a while back, and their
aero program is about a decade behind state-of-the-art.

@13 - spec formula? NASCAR has been a spec formula for years - the CoT
is a spec chassis and body, and the engine rules basically mandate a
spec engine. What NASCAR seems to be heading toward is a "crate motor"
formula (which is not a good thing).

@14 - you think like NASCAR: "it's all about the drivers, no-one cares
about the cars". Unfortunately, ever since NASCAR started that
attendance and TV viewership has been going down, so I tend to think
it's the wrong idea.

@16 - you're sort of wrong. In a street car, spoilers can reduce drag.
On a Cup car, they move downforce (and add drag). Basically what the
spoiler is doing is moving some of the front downforce to the rear. They
don't create downforce in the same way a wing does.


  51.   possum posted:
  10.07.2017 - 12:19 pm
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@23 - no, Carl Long got screwed, there was no two ways about it. He had
an engine that was oversize by such a tiny amount (.009 cubic inch, or
something like that) that it would be within the assembly tolerances in
most series. And it obviously gave him no advantage and was an
inadvertant error (especially since he didn't qualify for the non-points
race that he was attempting when the error was found).

This all occured during the worst of Mike Helton's "I make the rules"
period, and he was looking for someone to make an example of - someone
without a powerful team owner, who could make trouble. Carl fit the
bill, and in consequence got screwed to bolster Helton's ego.


  52.   Jim Davis posted:
  10.07.2017 - 4:13 pm
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"...no, Carl Long got screwed, there was no two ways about it."

I can't claim to know the truth but I've heard differently from sources
I trust.

Supposedly, the actual penalty and infraction was the tip of a big
iceberg. Long was bringing cars to the track race after race that were
not passing inspection and NASCAR was giving him break after break.
Finally, NASCAR said enough is enough. The next time, no matter how
slight the infraction, we're coming down hard. And they did.


  53.   Gray Gaulding's Distant Cousin posted:
  10.07.2017 - 5:10 pm
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Long had been disqualified in 2008 at Daytona too. He was a repeat
offender.


  54.   Anonymous posted:
  10.07.2017 - 8:44 pm
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The seventh-annual Better Half Dash was held in the lead up to this
race. Jennifer Anderson, the sister of Truck series racer Jordan
Anderson and the girlfriend of his competitor Austin Wayne Self, won the
race over Tammy Rice, Kate Tomaino, and Paige Keselowski. Jennifer
Anderson took the lead late on the way to victory.

(I've yet to find full results for the Dash.)


  55.   JeffGordon24FanForever posted:
  10.08.2017 - 8:39 am
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Looks bad already, big line of rain coming, may have a night race again,
on NBCSN(SNF)


  56.   possum posted:
  10.08.2017 - 10:36 am
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@52 - and how is Carl Long coming to the track with cars that don't pass
inspection different from anyone else? How many times this year have we
seen guys not take a qualifying run because they failed to pass
inspection not once, but on 4 consecutive trips thru the line? Sooner or
later _everyone_ shows up with cars that don't pass, either thru error
or intention.

No, it wasn't inspection issues (or "repeat offender") that got Carl
singled out for an aburdly inappropriate penalty. It was simply that he
didn't have a Hendrick or Gibbs or Penske calibre team owner to protect
him. It was safe for Helton to "make an example" of him.


  57.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 12:02 pm
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With the small amount of practice we've had this weekend it's hard to
pick a clear favorite. However, from what Friday showed I'm going to go
with Hamlin to win the race.


  58.   Jim Davis posted:
  10.08.2017 - 12:38 pm
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"@52 - and how is Carl Long coming to the track with cars that don't
pass inspection different from anyone else?"

Long was a field filler. NASCAR, knowing that even the most modest fines
could break these hand to mouth operations, cut these teams considerable
slack. Long pushed the limits of NASCAR's indulgence further than
others. He was told he had no more mulligans.

"It was safe for Helton to "make an example" of him."

Again, I don't *know* what the real story is. But I'm guessing you don't
*know* either. I, like you, can only go by what others say. I find the
account of their being much more to Long fine than this one incident
much more compelling than Helton arbitrarily deciding to throw his
weight around.


  59.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 12:57 pm
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Dale Jarrett is in his 1999 Championship car for the pace laps in memory
of Robert Yates


  60.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 1:03 pm
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We're green at Charlotte


  61.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 1:21 pm
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Competition caution is out


  62.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 1:25 pm
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Larson missed his pit box coming on to pit road will now restart towards
the rear of the field


  63.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 1:26 pm
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Larson is now back in 31st


  64.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 1:28 pm
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Elliott to the lead


  65.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 1:30 pm
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Newman and Bowyer crash Newman is on fire


  66.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 1:37 pm
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A few cars make pit stops including Logano and Junior


  67.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 1:41 pm
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Harvick to the lead


  68.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 1:46 pm
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Larson is back into the top ten after his pit road botch


  69.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 1:48 pm
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Logano also got some damage from the Newman wreck


  70.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 2:00 pm
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Harvick wins stage 1


  71.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 2:05 pm
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McMurray wins the race off pit road and will be the new leader


  72.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 2:10 pm
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Kyle Busch to the lead


  73.   66LongFan posted:
  10.08.2017 - 2:16 pm
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whats the point of that sticky stuff, their acting like nobody has ever
used the high line, now it's hard to pass.


  74.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 2:20 pm
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McDowell spins caution is out. Logano will get the free pass


  75.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 2:26 pm
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Harvick back to the lead


  76.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 2:27 pm
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McMurray got into the wall a bit but keeps going


  77.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 2:28 pm
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Kahne on pit road for a loose wheel I think


  78.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 2:29 pm
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It was a flat tire for Kahne


  79.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 2:34 pm
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Kyle Busch has hit the wall hard caution is out


  80.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 2:36 pm
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Kyle is on the 5 minute clock right now


  81.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 2:41 pm
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Kyle has met minimum speed he is one lap down in 31st


  82.   Matt L posted:
  10.08.2017 - 2:43 pm
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I know they have cut the downforce of the Cup cars the past 2 years, but
this is like watching cars ride on rails. McDowell managed to spin into
the corner and didn't even touch the wall.


  83.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 2:51 pm
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Kyle Busch is now two laps down


  84.   racefangurl posted:
  10.08.2017 - 2:51 pm
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Not as Toyota flavored as some races. I think I saw some Roush
togetherness earlier, 14th and 15th.


  85.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 2:53 pm
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Bayne had a big save


  86.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 3:00 pm
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Harvick wins stage 2 the race is now official should we get rain


  87.   Greg24ChaseFan posted:
  10.08.2017 - 3:12 pm
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Cmon 24!


  88.   Greg24ChaseFan posted:
  10.08.2017 - 3:24 pm
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Not sure anyone has anything for the 4. Was hoping though for at least
ONE race the 78 wouldn't be in conversation. But here he is. haha


  89.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 3:25 pm
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Kyle Busch got into the wall again keeps going has also gone another lap
down


  90.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 3:25 pm
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Kyle is on pit road for more repairs


  91.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 3:26 pm
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Kyle is now 4 laps down


  92.   Zachary posted:
  10.08.2017 - 3:27 pm
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What a sad crowd at the track today. So many empty seats.


  93.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 3:27 pm
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Green flag pit stops starting


  94.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 3:29 pm
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Truex beats Harvick off pit road


  95.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 3:33 pm
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Green flag pit stops have cycled through Truex now lead two seconds
ahead of Harvick


  96.   1995z71 posted:
  10.08.2017 - 3:33 pm
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Altracing you dont need to do play by play on here, Im sure no one cares.


  97.   Kevin posted:
  10.08.2017 - 3:38 pm
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#96, actually, I do care. Why are you ragging on someone who is trying
to help the community and says nothing to bash others?


  98.   Greg24ChaseFan posted:
  10.08.2017 - 3:39 pm
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92. The thread of rain, and likely heavy rain once race is over to try
to get out of the parking spots and drive home in kept people away. I
don't blame them. It's going to be a mess there shortly after race ends.


  99.   Zachary posted:
  10.08.2017 - 3:46 pm
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Somebody please get Rick Allen out of the booth. He's so repetitive over
every single little storyline and gives awful calls during the race. I
can't stand listening to him. Bring Allen Bestwick back in the booth...


  100.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 3:49 pm
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Ragan and Patrick wreck hard


  101.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 3:51 pm
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Larson wins the race off pit road and takes the lead


  102.   Racetowin posted:
  10.08.2017 - 3:53 pm
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Well, this is going to get interesting.


  103.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 4:00 pm
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Kyle Busch spins caution is out. This should make everyone good to the
finish in terms of fuel


  104.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 4:02 pm
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Truex wins the race off pit road Larson has a horrible pit stop


  105.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 4:04 pm
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Johnson also had a horrible stop may get a penalty for service outside
the pit box


  106.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 4:05 pm
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Kyle Busch says he may need medical attention after the race


  107.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 4:28 pm
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Kyle Busch hit the wall again caution is out


  108.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 4:31 pm
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Everyone takes four tires Truex still leads


  109.   Doug posted:
  10.08.2017 - 4:32 pm
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If Jim Davis posts it, you can guarantee it's not true.


  110.   Ralph posted:
  10.08.2017 - 4:32 pm
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No call for Johnson servicing car outside the box


  111.   Drakion posted:
  10.08.2017 - 4:33 pm
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Such BS Jimmie did not get a penalty for that pitstop....


  112.   Ralph posted:
  10.08.2017 - 4:33 pm
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No call for Johnson


  113.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 4:33 pm
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Stenhouse too fast entering pit road


  114.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 4:36 pm
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Kurt Busch spins caution is out Larson has some damage


  115.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 4:42 pm
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Truex gets his sixth win of the year


  116.   Racetowin posted:
  10.08.2017 - 4:45 pm
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Great job for Truex, and especially Jamie Mac, great top 5 finish for him!


  117.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 4:50 pm
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Kyle Busch is on the ground on the infield exhausted and being attended
by medical personal


  118.   Greg24ChaseFan posted:
  10.08.2017 - 4:51 pm
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Another 2nd for Chase. Not as disappointing as last week, but still.
Just wish the kid would get a win.


  119.   Altracing posted:
  10.08.2017 - 4:51 pm
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As I wrote that comment Kyle is back up under his own power


  120.   Greg24ChaseFan posted:
  10.08.2017 - 4:59 pm
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I still don't care much for the Start/Finish line interview then victory
lane intervew. Basically repeating what was said.


  121.   Nucl3ar Wa4le posted:
  10.08.2017 - 5:05 pm
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  122.   John Lee Pettimore III posted:
  10.08.2017 - 5:12 pm
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Chase and his team will figure it out. He's getting beat by the best in
the sport right now. No shame in that. Anyone who thinks these races are
easy to win, is a fool.


  123.   Greg24ChaseFan posted:
  10.08.2017 - 5:37 pm
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I still don't like the fact the race winner doesn't necessarily earn the
most points on a race. With the stage points and all. I think that needs
to somehow be fixed.


  124.   John Lee Pettimore III posted:
  10.08.2017 - 6:01 pm
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123 - Yeah, I don't know. The rules are the same for everyone. If you
want those stage points, go on up there and get em.


  125.   Most1305 posted:
  10.08.2017 - 7:55 pm
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I liked Kurt starting to rant about Fords being loose to drive and then
realized he was on a microphone.

I also like the dry erase board with all the sponsors for Martin to
mention.


  126.   NewGuyOnTheBlock posted:
  10.08.2017 - 7:58 pm
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Very good race IMO. Lots of action throughout the field all day. Good
win by Truex in unusual circumstances, as he did not lead the most laps
in this one, nor did he start up front.


  127.   Danish Pie posted:
  10.08.2017 - 9:17 pm
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  128.   Alex posted:
  10.08.2017 - 9:40 pm
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Sponsor updates

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  129.   Mannoroth posted:
  10.09.2017 - 12:50 am
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And that's why it's not smart to win twice in the same round... Martin
Truex Jr. learned from last year and didn't win till the start of the
next round. So that'll make Talladega a lot easier for him, because he's
now immortal and can't be eliminated.
On the other hand, Kyle did finish the race, but hit the wall, damaged
the car pretty bad and nearly collapsed after the race. I'm so glad he's
okay, but the damage has been done. He now has to run good both at
Talladega and at Kansas to advance, otherwise no other playoff points
will help him and will be eliminated. And if he crashes at Talladega as
well, he's in a must-win situation on the track that was a pain in the
a*s for him for a long time...


  130.   Newman31 posted:
  10.09.2017 - 5:48 am
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"On the other hand, Kyle did finish the race, but hit the wall, damaged
the car pretty bad and nearly collapsed after the race. I'm so glad he's
okay, but the damage has been done. He now has to run good both at
Talladega and at Kansas to advance, otherwise no other playoff points
will help him and will be eliminated. And if he crashes at Talladega as
well, he's in a must-win situation on the track that was a pain in the
a*s for him for a long time..."

Remember that Kyle has a history of "melting down" during the Chase so
it's really not surprising.


  131.   Corey posted:
  10.09.2017 - 7:58 am
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This year is not last year. There is a benefit to winning more then once
in a round. Those extra playoff points earned in the 1st round maybe
what helps Kyle get through the second round. Just imagine it coming
down to him and Chase Elliott for the final transfer spot and Kyle earns
it by less then 10 points. That second win at Dover will be the reason why.


  132.   Mannoroth posted:
  10.09.2017 - 12:42 pm
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130. Yeah, but remember that he got to Homestead on pure consistency in
2015, then won the last race along with the title. And last year, he
joined Gordon, Edwards & Johnson as the only drivers that scored 9 top
10's in the final 10 races (and it could be even 10 top 10's, if he
didn't boycott Talladega). Plus, he won twice in a row in the playoffs
this year, which he has never done before - that is a big achievement
already.

131. Yes, but winning once in each round is still the guarantee you
advance no matter what. Some extra playoff points are useless, if you
crash in the first race and the Talladega is the next race (anything can
happen there). Like I said - if he crashes there as well, he's in a
must-win situation at Kansas.
That's why Truex is the luckiest driver now, because he doesn't have to
care about Talladega and he's got Texas in Round 3, where he can win and
advance to Homestead. And Homestead is 1.5-mile track as well, so he
will be a big threat there. And especially, he played it smart and won
once in Round 1 and Round 2.


  133.   Sector posted:
  10.09.2017 - 1:27 pm
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Anyone know how many laps the new road course configuration will be next
year?


  134.   Sector posted:
  10.09.2017 - 1:35 pm
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"131. Yes, but winning once in each round is still the guarantee you
advance no matter what. Some extra playoff points are useless, if you
crash in the first race and the Talladega is the next race (anything can
happen there). Like I said - if he crashes there as well, he's in a
must-win situation at Kansas.
That's why Truex is the luckiest driver now, because he doesn't have to
care about Talladega and he's got Texas in Round 3, where he can win and
advance to Homestead. And Homestead is 1.5-mile track as well, so he
will be a big threat there. And especially, he played it smart and won
once in Round 1 and Round 2."

I wouldn't doubt Truex to win at Texas (After all, I think he's
dominated that track the second most times to Kansas). I am expecting
the 78 camp to win it all at Homestead. The ONLY thing I'm worried
about... the controversial final restart. I fear a 2016 Homestead finish
will occur once again.


  135.   Sector posted:
  10.09.2017 - 1:53 pm
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NASCAR should make it with Homestead that you still get the bonus points
via WINS-only (meaning Stage Points no longer count). So he'll have a 30
point advantage over Kenseth/Elliott and 10 point over Larson/Busch
going in now. They are trying hard to make these "wins" mean more and
more, but by the time we get someone such as Kenseth or Elliott who goes
into the final 4 winless, it's a slap in the face. At least with the
guys who has been winning will have an advantage and all of these wins
will actually provide some sort of advantage over the lesser winners
throughout the year.


  136.   Eric posted:
  10.09.2017 - 2:22 pm
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@133,the Roval race will be 130 laps.


  137.   Anonymous posted:
  10.09.2017 - 2:28 pm
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@135

No bonus points at Homestead it is still whoever has the highest finish
wins the title


  138.   Sector posted:
  10.09.2017 - 2:32 pm
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"@135

No bonus points at Homestead it is still whoever has the highest finish
wins the title"

You should re-read my post again.


  139.   Sector posted:
  10.09.2017 - 2:33 pm
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"@133,the Roval race will be 130 laps."

Thanks Eric!


  140.   Anthony posted:
  10.09.2017 - 4:45 pm
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Martin Truex, Jr., Kyle Busch, & Kyle Larson have now won 9 of the last
10 races!


Unreal...


  141.   JSPorts posted:
  10.09.2017 - 5:35 pm
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Those 3 drivers have really dominated this season. Here's some stats on
that:

They have combined for 14 wins (47%), 40 top 5s (27%), 58 top 10s (19%)
and 4771 laps led (55%) despite making up only 7% of the field. They
have combined to earn 139 playoff points out of a possible 272 (51%). I
expect those three to make it to Homestead. The 4th driver is up in the
air, but I think Kevin Harvick running well at Charlotte bodes well for
him in the 3rd round if he can get there at TMS. He's generally strong
at Phoenix too, so as long as he's top-10 or so at Martinsville he
should be able to make the final race.


  142.   Sector posted:
  10.09.2017 - 5:47 pm
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"Martin Truex, Jr., Kyle Busch, & Kyle Larson have now won 9 of the last
10 races!


Unreal..."

And that tenth race (Darlington) was encumbered for Denny Hamlin, with
Kyle Busch finishing second. Stretching back to Indianapolis, Martin
Truex and Kyle Busch both were taken out on a restart, clearly were the
class of the field that race. It's clear who the dominate drivers are.
Kyle Larson, in this case, is pretty much in the same boat as Jeff
Gordon were back in the 90's vs the Fords, only Jeff Gordon was way more
dominate.


  143.   Stewart14Rocks posted:
  10.09.2017 - 7:28 pm
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@135 Honestly I doubt nascar cares if the big winners make the final 4,
there honestly just looking for excitement.


  144.   Greg24ChaseFan posted:
  10.09.2017 - 7:35 pm
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Do the 4 guys that don't advance to final 8 drop back to 2000 points
plus whatever points they have earned?

In essence, anyone that doesn't advance to Homestead can still finish
5th in points?


  145.   Mile501 posted:
  10.09.2017 - 9:04 pm
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Yes, that is correct. Anyone who made the playoffs has a chance to
finish as high as 5th, regardless of when they're eliminated.


  146.   sandy posted:
  10.18.2017 - 4:53 pm
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#88 sponsor is Nationwide Insurance/ Chevy Truck Month


  147.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.30.2017 - 2:02 pm
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It wasn't promoted at the time but this was the historic final race for
Chip Ganassi Racing with Target as the primary sponsor of one of its
cars, ending an association that went back to the start of the 1990 CART
IndyCar season. Target announced the end of its IndyCar sponsorship with
the team at the end of 2016 but stayed on to sponsor Larson's NASCAR
stocker throughout much of the 2017 season before leaving Ganassi.


  148.   Rich posted:
  09.25.2020 - 11:11 pm
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Rick Allen, Jeff Burton, Steve Letarte and Dale Jarrett were the
commentators. Marty Snider, Dave Burns, Kelli Stavast and Parker
Kligerman were the pit road reporters.


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