|| *Comments on the 2019 Pennzoil 400 Presented by Jiffy Lube:* View the most recent comment <#221> | Post a comment <#post> 1. Yeet posted: 02.26.2019 - 8:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The addition of MBM's #66 bumps the field to 38, again no Obaika or NY Racing 2. MinecraftandNascarfan posted: 02.26.2019 - 8:50 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) First race for Harick with Jimmy Johns this year. First race for Reed Sorenson this year. First race for Chase Elliot with Hooters this year. 3. TeamDCRfan posted: 02.26.2019 - 10:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is Gaunt Bros. going to try and run the whole season? 4. Onion posted: 02.26.2019 - 10:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) One can hope. Basically, they are guaranteed to make all the races they enter. They've not announced anything for the season and appear to be on a race-by-race basis. 5. LJTolitoYouTuber posted: 02.26.2019 - 10:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Reed Sorenson will be making his 2019 debut at Las Vegas with Spire in the #77 6. Ed posted: 02.26.2019 - 12:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 4th straight non-RP race with less than a full field, the charter system is working perfectly as intended 7. Lightning88 posted: 02.26.2019 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @6 At least all of the races this year have had more entries than last year: Race - 2019 Entries (2018) +/- Daytona: 42 (40) +2 Atlanta: 37 (36) +1 Las Vegas: 38 (37) +1 Still not full fields every week, but it's an improvement. 8. 34McDowellFan posted: 02.26.2019 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Interesting note about the #77 team So far their 3 drivers are Garrett Smithley, Reed Sorenson, and Quin Houff (McMurray wasn't really a Spire car) All 3 of them raced for JD Motorsports, and the team is affiliated with Premium Motorsports, who fields a car for JDM driver Ross Chastain I doubt the Spire team is affiliated with JDM, but I found it interesting 9. Busch18 posted: 02.26.2019 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @8 they are all clients of spire sports 10. 1995z71 posted: 02.26.2019 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If all the stats are true, this race the Cup debut of Brian Keselowski (Brad's brother) as a Crew Chief. He is listed as the crew chief of Joey Gase's #66. 11. Matt posted: 02.26.2019 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Reed Sorenson driving for Spire this week. Hopefully he does better than Garrett Smithley did at Atlanta. 12. Brock posted: 02.26.2019 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Excited to see Star Nursery sponsoring Kurt's #1, his sponsor back when he took the 1999 NASCAR Southwest Tour Series Championship. Wonder if it'll be a throwback scheme in blue and gold. 13. Scott25 posted: 02.27.2019 - 12:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @12 yes it is, pictures of it surfaced this morning 14. Sector posted: 02.28.2019 - 2:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have a question and it's completely unrelated to the race. Why doesn't NASCAR set the schedule for a three week short track showdown? As in, have Texas be after the Fontana race and have Martinsville, Bristol and Richmond be three consecutive races? I think that'd be quite amazing. Back to the topic of this race, I truly hope Kurt Busch can pull off a win at his home town. He'd be #1 at his home town in the #1 car. 15. Benny posted: 02.28.2019 - 7:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @14 I completely agree with your idea and I think sonoma should be part of the west coast swing 16. Jason posted: 02.28.2019 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WOW, BJ McLeod is in AGAIN...Caused TWO incidents ON PIT ROAD...Including COMING TO DEAD STOP SEVERAL STALLS AHEAD OF HIS...Come on How Much Money is he bringing. Hopefully Ryan Preese can get used to these pit stops, do they do pit stops in Modifieds, is used to this? 17. Busch18 posted: 02.28.2019 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @16 wtf are you talkin about Ryan preece has ran enough races to be used to pit stops 18. MSportRev posted: 02.28.2019 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @17 Should Preece be used to pit stops? Yes. The Digital Dash however? Maybe not yet. 19. Danish_Pie posted: 02.28.2019 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't see what the big deal is about Preece having a digital dash. It has circle that flashes when you're going above pit road speed. Just like all the series have had for years now. He was looking down at his dashboard to check his speed. Really doesn't have anything to do with being ?not used to them' It's a mistake any rookie, hell and driver, can make. 20. Underdogfan posted: 02.28.2019 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) @16 BJ did NOT come to a complete stop, and also, he was pulling into his pit box. When Ryan hit him, BJ landed in his own pit box...Really obvious but you know, some people aren't smart..And it was Ryan's fault anyways.. 21. Danish_Pie posted: 02.28.2019 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ Disagree totally. If he wasn't pulling into his stall from the outside lane at two-thirds of pit road speed, then it might be Preece's fault. I'm unbelievably surprised by how many people blame Ryan for that incident. 22. Willsome429 posted: 02.28.2019 - 9:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man seeing the phrase how much money does BJ McLeod bring make my head hurt. Anyone who knows the story behind BJ knows that he is anything BUT a pay driver... if he was a pay driver maybe he would not have started his own Xfinity and Truck team and just paid his way into somebody else, no? 23. JSPorts posted: 02.28.2019 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm not sure who to blame. It was really just a freak deal, I don't think you need to place blame anywhere in particular. It does suck that it happened, though. 24. Greg9Fan posted: 03.01.2019 - 11:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Both were to blame really, you can't creep down Pit Road like that, and again you have to be aware of your surroundings as a driver. I am sure both learned from it. 25. Greg9Fan posted: 03.01.2019 - 11:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can't wait for this race, very interested to see how the first track with the full new rules is going to work. 26. Corey posted: 03.01.2019 - 1:07 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I saw a video on twitter recently where McLeod explained why he did what he did. First he mentioned having a tire going down, which was why he was on pit road to begin with. He stated he wouldn't have been on pit road if it wasn't for that. Second, he was aware that Blaney had come in behind him and tried to keep his speed up so as not to be in the way. He did mention slowing and stopping at the last possible moment too and that's when the contact with Preece happened. Could he have done things differently on pit road? Probably. Could Preece have been watching where he was going before looking at his tach? Probably. They also both have spotters that could have made them aware of the other. I'll just chalk this up to a racing incident. 27. TeamDCRfan posted: 03.01.2019 - 1:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsorship for the 00 is Manscaped: Below the Belt Grooming 28. Altracing posted: 03.01.2019 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Watching how qualifying went I hope they get rid of group qualifying at these +1 mile oval tracks after this ridiculous session 29. Christian posted: 03.01.2019 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) So it's the 4 and 18 on the front row AGAIN. Can this shit just stop already. 30. TeamDCRfan posted: 03.01.2019 - 8:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The way that group qualifying would work with this package is by shortening the sessions to like 7 minutes, 5 minutes then 3 minutes. It was rather entertaining though with the constant position changin. But the game playing in the pits is rather silly 31. Altracing posted: 03.01.2019 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Maybe it's just me but even Harvick didn't seem thrilled about how qualifying was done tonight 32. Guy posted: 03.01.2019 - 8:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) New year, same garbage with blatant cheating for SHR and Ford, NASCAR must have some pretty deep pockets. Anyone with eyes and a brain could see the 88 and 9 made it and should be the front row. 33. #Loganoyes#Harvickno posted: 03.01.2019 - 8:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! MY LEAST FAVORITE DRIVER WON THE POLE! ALEX BOWMAN SHOULD HAVE GOT THE POLE 34. Chives5150 posted: 03.01.2019 - 8:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Seeing how everyone left pit road in that manner I wouldn't be surprised to see an accident leaving pit road during qualifying this season. 35. Me. posted: 03.01.2019 - 9:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great qualifying run for Hemric! He just continues to impress. And how about David Ragan in 6th! 36. Anonymous posted: 03.01.2019 - 9:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Interested to see this race because of the new rules but I know they'll be on the throttle way too much for my taste. I couldn't watch qualifying but it's really weird to see the #38 near the front outside the superspeedways. 37. joey2448 posted: 03.01.2019 - 9:02 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Here's the deal with qualifying using this type of aero package. Obviously it's beneficial to go out in a group, behind someone, so you can draft up to them and turn a faster lap. That's why these guys play these games at the end of pit road trying to avoid being that first guy to go out. If that's the way NASCAR's going to do it, fine, whatever. I guess it's amusing/entertaining to watch. But my big question is this: Why does qualifying have to be a show? Why must we be entertained by it? Qualifying isn't supposed to be a show, it's simply supposed to determine the starting lineup for Sunday, which is the show that fans come to watch. Sunday is the big show that draws eyes to the sport. Why does Friday have to be this big entertainment show? Just set the field and let 'em race on Sunday. 38. joey2448 posted: 03.01.2019 - 9:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) By the way, shoutouts to some guys in qualifying (even though I just trashed it): Daniel Hemric in 5th, David Ragan in 6th, Ty Dillon in 14th and Michael McDowell in 16th. Hemric in particularly has been pretty fast right out of the gates in 2019, I really think he's underrated because he didn't win in Truck or Xfinity. 39. GoPM21 posted: 03.01.2019 - 9:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @33 Grow up. Life isn't fair. Now would be an excellent time for your egress. 40. TeamDCRfan posted: 03.01.2019 - 9:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race should be interesting to say the least. Positions 1-32 all within 1 second. Could be a chance for some underdogs to run well 41. Harvickfan1 posted: 03.01.2019 - 9:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) SHR cheating? Hahahah someone has been sucking on them sour grapes cause his team cant perform. 42. Mile501 posted: 03.02.2019 - 6:39 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) @40 - More than that, positions 1-29 are within about 0.4 second. Impressive job by Front Row to have 2 teams in the top 16. I think they may be the organization (along with maybe JTG) that stands to gain the most with this package. 43. Mannoroth posted: 03.02.2019 - 7:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) David Ragan losing just not even 2 tenths of a second to the Pole winner in 6th place? On a normal track? Are you kidding me? 44. Scott25 posted: 03.02.2019 - 8:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @37 agree completely. There's no reason to even have practice and qualifying on TV in this day and age. 45. JFM01 posted: 03.02.2019 - 9:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #51 is a Chevy 46. David posted: 03.02.2019 - 11:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Practice #2 for this race has been cancelled due to weather. 47. matthew posted: 03.02.2019 - 11:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @46 Its Not Cancelled its on hold 48. David posted: 03.02.2019 - 12:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes it is cancelled (at the time I first posted it may not have been made public yet), and so is Xfinity qualifying now. 49. Greg9Fan posted: 03.02.2019 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Qualifying should just move back to hot laps. The way qualifying is done now is garbage. 50. 1995-Subaru-WRX-Sti posted: 03.03.2019 - 1:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) They shouldn't be showing Quing on TV period. But I am sure that FOX and NBC want them on TV for whatever reason. NASCAR couldn't say no. 51. Jake posted: 03.03.2019 - 12:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) #50 "FOX and NBC want them on TV for whatever reason" Because it draws significantly higher numbers than anything else FS1/NBCSN would have on in its place 52. Bayne&BowmanFan posted: 03.03.2019 - 1:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Excited to see what the race will turn out to be. I think we'll see a somewhat predictable winner, but some underdogs get their time to shine. I'm going to pick Clint Bowyer for the W today. Kyle Busch looking for his 3rd career weekend sweep after winning the truck race Friday and Xfinity race yesterday. He starts second. 53. TeamDCRfan posted: 03.03.2019 - 1:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 13 and 00 to the rear. The Germain gang changed engines and the 00 changed rear gears. 54. Me. posted: 03.03.2019 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Apparently one of NASCAR On NBC's social media people picked Ricky Stenhouse to win. I hope he does, just to shut up his critics. 55. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 2:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is probably a very big long shot but with this package it might not be so with that said I'm gonna go with Austin Dillon to win today 56. TeamDCRfan posted: 03.03.2019 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 55 I'm going to go with your theme of RCR, but I'm going with Hemric. The 8 will win its first race since 2006 57. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 3:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We're green at Las Vegas 58. TeamDCRfan posted: 03.03.2019 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 3 seems like he needs a few laps before he really gets into the zone 59. JSPorts posted: 03.03.2019 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick looks very fast. Don't forget, he won the All-Star Race with a similar package last year. 60. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Green flag pit stops starting now 61. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson has been penalized for having too many men over the wall 62. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Austin Dillon has always been penalized for too many men over the wall 63. TeamDCRfan posted: 03.03.2019 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 3 with too many men over the wall 64. TeamDCRfan posted: 03.03.2019 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 42 team must not want to win a race 65. TeamDCRfan posted: 03.03.2019 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No big surprise the 66 is off 66. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 4:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Blaney had to make a second pit stop for a flat tire 67. Mbenoit posted: 03.03.2019 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Glad Larry Mac explained that clearly, but still, what a nitpicky penalty NASCAR issues on that. 68. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Pit stops have finally cycled through Harvick leads Kyle Busch by 4.2 seconds 69. Allen posted: 03.03.2019 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So much for RCR doing anything today. 70. Danish_Pie posted: 03.03.2019 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That 42 penalty was as ticky-tack as you can possibly get. Come on NASCAR, what are you doing? 71. Sector posted: 03.03.2019 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @70 That's what Jeff Gordon said. Even so it didn't really make a difference to his race. That's my biggest issue. It should be if his FEET is over the wall, that should be the penalty. His hands? No. 72. Sector posted: 03.03.2019 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lol too many men over the wall and his hand was on the ground over the wall. These penalizes for the crews are pretty bad lately. Clint Bowyer last year, Kyle Larson this race, but the rules are the rules. 73. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 4:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick wins stage 1 74. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski takes two tires on his pit stop and will be the new leader 75. Sector posted: 03.03.2019 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Top 5 during the restart on lap 88 consist of the 5 best drivers since the Elimination Chase/Playoff era began back in 2014, all being Cup champions winning since 2012. 1) Brad Keselowski 2) Joey Logano 3) Kyle Busch 4) Kevin Harvick 5) Martin Truex Jr. 76. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Logano to the lead 77. Rob posted: 03.03.2019 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thought this was going to be like a restrictor plate track 78. Me. posted: 03.03.2019 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Ricky Stenhouse is Kyle Larson without the elite equipment. Dirt track background, fast but too aggressive, tends to make mistakes. Stenhouse gets too much hate imo, and he's had a fairly impressive start to the year. 79. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch to the lead 80. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Green flag pit stops starting again 81. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch too fast entering pit road 82. George posted: 03.03.2019 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Kyle Busch benefit caution coming in 3, 2, 1 . . . 83. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pit stops have finally cycled through, Logano is now the leader again with a one second lead over Harvick 84. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch after the speeding penalty is actually still on the lead lap in 19th right now 85. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Logano wins stage 2 86. RaceFanX posted: 03.03.2019 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie Johnson passed his teammate William Byron on the last lap of the stage to take tenth place and the point it offered. 87. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch stays out and will be the new leader 88. Danish_Pie posted: 03.03.2019 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Aside from the five to eight laps right after a restart, not a huge amount of effectiveness from the new package in terms of excitement so far. We'll see if that changes entering stage 3. 89. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Harvick goes back to the lead 90. JSPorts posted: 03.03.2019 - 5:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That 4 car looks really strong. Ford came out of the gate just as fast this year as they were last year. That's a far cry from what happened to Chevy in 2018. 91. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Logano back to the lead 92. JSPorts posted: 03.03.2019 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bowman to pit road. Probably earlier than they would've liked to come, but he hit the wall. We'll see if the others come now. 93. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Green flag pit stops starting now, could be the final stops of the day 94. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Logano reporting a vibration 95. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Pit stops have cycled through, Logano leads Keselowski by 7 tenths 96. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski to the lead again 97. Anonymous posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Worst Cup race ever!!! 98. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Logano takes the lead back 99. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Penske teammates going at it for the lead 100. Sector posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This has been pretty racy. This reminds me so much as the 2001 Atlanta race won by Kevin Harvick in only his third start when the Top 5 cars raced so close together for a while. I love this package, keep it up! I told you (I think last week's race, don't remember where) that the Penske boys will spoil the Kevin Harvick/Kyle Busch domination party. Brad Keselowski and Joey Logano are battling each other for the lead with 25 to 20 to go! 101. Greg9Fan posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not even sure how i feel about the package. Will need more tracks. 102. Altracing posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Logano holds off Keselowski to win at Las Vegas in a basically caution free race 103. GGDC posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Logano wins. Man imagine if Joey didn't have the personality of late-00s Kyle Busch. He'd actually be popular. 104. 34McDowellFan posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I doubt we'll have many yellows this year with how easy these cars are to drive As for this race, it was... well I'll go with the word I've been using this weekend It was blegh 105. Sector posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie Johnson was running 9th-11th virtually all race. 10 to go and he's a lap down in 19th. What happened to him? 106. Greg9Fan posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 105. All the HMS cars dropped in the final 30 laps. Pathetic. 107. JSPorts posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) The new package was a slight improvement over last year. However, what the series clearly needs is more unique tracks (short tracks & road courses especially) and fewer cookie cutters. Until they fix that, I can now see that I don't need to spend my time watching races at those tracks. Yes, the finish was good, but that doesn't make up for the long, drawn-out green flag runs in the middle (sure, they weren't as drawn-out as last year, but the improvement was marginal.) Good job by Brad & Joey racing each other clean. Really nice win for Logano. 108. George_Costanza posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Race was boring, but the first few laps of a restart were kind of interesting. A good finish doesn't make up for a very lackluster race. I don't think this package is going to work at most racetracks. 109. Sector posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "Man imagine if Joey didn't have the personality of late-00s Kyle Busch. He'd actually be popular." Joey and Brad as a duo have grown to me more frequently than in recent years. I've been becoming a fan of both since 2017 somehow. In 2014-15 I wasn't a huge fan, how times have changed. This is the first time in Team Penske's history that they've won 3 consecutive 1.5 mile tracks. Joey Logano won this race at Las Vegas, Brad Keselowski won last week at Atlanta Motor Speedway, and Joey Logano won the 2018 season finale race at Homestead-Miami Speedway when he won the championship. 110. Greg9Fan posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Can't stand Joey's voice so have to mute his interviews haha. Is what it is. 111. Thats_Racin posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Overall some racy moments, and a run by Brad to the checkers, but the end result was still pretty meh. First "caution-free" race in 17 years. Better product, yes, but not drastically. Once the drivers figure this package out the races will be total shit shows again. 112. TeamDCRfan posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The one thing this package seems to have done is equalize more drivers with the "big 3", while hindering the big 3 a bit 113. Sector posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Is it me or have Joey Logano and Brad Keselowski been becoming the next Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon of this decade? 114. Greg9Fan posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The restarts were good, the first segment was very boring. Segment 2 and 3 got a little better, but clean air is even more important than ever. You can't run every lap meh then have the slight exciting finish (if you call it that exciting, you knew Brad didn't have the momentum to get him). 115. Tarheel posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Going back to Darlington last year, Penske has now won eight of the last fifteen races. 116. Sector posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The one thing this package seems to have done is equalize more drivers with the "big 3", while hindering the big 3 a bit" I wondering how Martin Truex, Jr will do throughout the year. I don't think they'll be as strong as they were the last two seasons. 117. Sector posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Can't stand Joey's voice so have to mute his interviews haha. Is what it is." Sounds like a personal problem. 118. French's_Mustard posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well that was boring. 119. Nucl3arWa4le posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor updates #1 - Star Nursery 1999 Throwback #19 - Bass Pro Shops / Tracker ATV's #34 - Love's Travel Stops / Speedco #37 - Natural Light Naturdays / Totino's #47 - Kroger.com / Pringles / Breyer's #77 - The Mirage 120. Jimmie4life posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @117 Not necessarily. It had some parts to spice it up, and it also had a decent number of lead changes. To me, it's a 4/10, not bad enough to be considered bad. 121. Trey posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That race wasn't too bad. They certainly weren't driving in big drafting lines around the track, so that was a benefit. Good finish, fairly easy to pass. I'd say the package is a success 122. Greg9Fan posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 117. Indeed it is, issues? 123. Sector posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "@117 Not necessarily. It had some parts to spice it up, and it also had a decent number of lead changes. To me, it's a 4/10, not bad enough to be considered bad." What does that have to do with Joey's voice? 124. Sector posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "117. Indeed it is, issues?" Yes, Joey's voice is fine. It's a personal problem for you. "That race wasn't too bad. They certainly weren't driving in big drafting lines around the track, so that was a benefit. Good finish, fairly easy to pass. I'd say the package is a success" Yep, they were racing for the lead more so than they were 95% than last year. It was fun to watch. People these days are just upset that we're still getting the same 'ole "BIG 5" racing for the lead. 125. RaceFanX posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kurt Busch picks up his first top-5 at Las Vegas since 2005 as he finishes fifth in his Star Nursery throwback-liveried #1 Chevrolet. 126. Greg9Fan posted: 03.03.2019 - 6:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sector, well did i tell you not to like his voice? Do i tell you what to like and dislike in general? Of course it's a "personal problem", if you can call it a problem, for me. Duh! Thanks for being obvious ;) 127. Walker posted: 03.03.2019 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) People are whining because the whole field wasn't bunched up and not a lead change every lap and the cars are so "easy" to drive. I thought people didn't want it to be like plate racing because it would feel artificial and fabricated. At least there were actual green flag lead changes several laps into a run and not just after a restart. You can't have it both ways. Make up your mind. You can't make NASCAR "fans" happy no matter what you do. Smh. 128. Larson&Blaney posted: 03.03.2019 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @11 when they each have multiple championships they can be compared to gordon and Johnson. Gordon also owned part of johnsons team. Keselowski doesnt own any of joeys. So im afraid it is just you sir. 129. GGDC posted: 03.03.2019 - 7:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @109 Brad's grown on me too. Even leaving my Kenseth fan biasedness about Logano aside, he always seemed to be one of the most unrefined. For instance Las Vegas 2017 and Talledega a few years before that. But as a driver he's gotten much better. Seeing him finally crack the code on making last lap passes in the RP races has helped. But I wish his personality was able to catch up. 130. Jimmie4life posted: 03.03.2019 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @123 Made a mistake, okay... sorry. 131. Me. posted: 03.03.2019 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @107 Agreed. That's the biggest issue with modern NASCAR. We have Bruton Smith to blame for that. 132. Me. posted: 03.03.2019 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Race quality has improved big time in Cup this year. Great finish today. I'm loving the new aero package. 133. Greg9Fan posted: 03.03.2019 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 132. It was better, I still want to see a few more races before i say success, but it was nice to see the leader (except for the first stage), to not get such huge leads. Teams will also get better with it as they figure it out more. 134. Bayne&BowmanFan posted: 03.03.2019 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well put @127 135. TeamDCRfan posted: 03.03.2019 - 8:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl long might want to think about getting away from his in house engines, as his team has another engine failure in a Cup car. I think that is the 4th or 5th going back to last season 136. Sector posted: 03.03.2019 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "@11 when they each have multiple championships they can be compared to gordon and Johnson. Gordon also owned part of johnsons team. Keselowski doesnt own any of joeys. So im afraid it is just you sir." I don't think you get where I was coming from. Back in the day Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson had a habit of running 1-2 to face one another for the win as teammates. Brad Keselowski and Joey Logano have done it twice so far this year, barring Logano having issues last weekend at Atlanta. At least they have championships under their belts. Do you really consider Bobby Allison not as great as those guys because he only has one title? 137. Larson&Blaney posted: 03.03.2019 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I get ya. But unpopular opinion on an unrelted topic i dont think kyle buschs alnost 200 top 3 series wins is less impressive then pettys 200 cup wins. Look at some of the feilds Petty ran against. Not taking it away cuz it was awesome for that era but. I dont think petty in his orime coulda kept up with half the drivers around today if he was in the cars they all have today. Not just petty and 2 other teams 138. Mile501 posted: 03.03.2019 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ricky Stenhouse Jr. has quietly had the most surprisingly impressive start of anyone this season. The vast majority of drivers are currently ranked near where they were at the end of last season. The big exception is Stenhouse, who ended 2018 ranked 18th in points but currently sits 7th. 139. Sector posted: 03.03.2019 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) When it comes to that, they should match up. They should be a different achievement altogether. Richard Petty got it all in one series, the Cup. Kyle Busch won it across all National Series. The fanbase and the media are making it that Kyle will be the next King. It's a whole different achievement to win as many NASCAR races as possible, vs to win as many Cup races as possible. 140. Sector posted: 03.03.2019 - 8:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They shouldn't* match up. 141. George_Costanza posted: 03.03.2019 - 8:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I think NASCAR and the media have a bias towards Kyle Busch and his quest for 200 wins. He is the only driver when mentioned, they bring up 193 wins, not 51 Cup wins. They don't bring up Kevin Harvick having 106 wins, they just say 45 wins. They don't bring up Keselowski having 68 totals wins, they just say 28. Sure, Cup drivers have always been dipping to the Xfinity series for experience, money, wins, etc. But not many Cup drivers are dipping to the Trucks as well. Kyle has 53 wins in the Trucks, but the next closest Cup driver is Kevin Harvick with only 14 wins, and he hasn't raced in that series in almost four years. Kyle has no competition in the Trucks, and very little in Xfinity. I understand that he wants to break and set records, but no other Cup driver is doing what he is doing. That's why I will always be more impressed with 51 Cup wins, than 146 lower series wins. 142. Sector posted: 03.03.2019 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I understand that he wants to break and set records, but no other Cup driver is doing what he is doing. That's why I will always be more impressed with 51 Cup wins, than 146 lower series wins." Nothing wrong with that. He loves to race, he loves to win even more. People take the hatred out of control in this situation by "boycotting." Sure his personality isn't popular, drivers before Kyle had been doing it for years as well and could have probably done more if they wanted to. Kyle wants to and he's doing it. 143. Sector posted: 03.03.2019 - 9:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Read my post #129 in the Xfinity race yesterday. I commented more about it. 144. Mbenoit posted: 03.03.2019 - 9:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tie for the fewest cautions in a Vegas Cup race, and the record for fastest average speed. 145. possum posted: 03.03.2019 - 9:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @72 - "rules are rules" - that sort of attitude is a big part of why NASCAR is such a mess now-a-days. It's a stupid, pointless rule that's just another example of how poorly NASCAR leadership runs this show. And it's entirely appropriate for us, the fans, to let NASCAR know that their fondness for picayune rules and their joy in assessing penalties are not appreciated by the fans. 146. possum posted: 03.03.2019 - 9:58 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) All in all, not a bad race. There's still some aero effect, but the dread aero-push of years past seems to be gone. There's a bit more of a premium on driver skill, since keeping up momentum is key and the guy who's looking way ahead and planning his moves has the advantage. First stage had quite a lot of racing in the pack, and FOX actually showed a fair bit of it - both probably because the totally random qualifying left a lot of fast cars deep in the pack, and they had to race thru to the front. Not quite a Saturday night short-track field inversion, but close enough. 147. RaceFanX posted: 03.03.2019 - 10:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is this the first time a NASCAR Cup race's only cautions were stage breaks? Seems like we usually had something else. 148. Ed posted: 03.03.2019 - 10:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @RaceFanX, it is, this is the fewest cautions in a race since Dale Jr.'s last win, and the first "caution-free" race since Jr. won Talladega in the fall of 2002 149. Anthony posted: 03.03.2019 - 10:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @148 2012 Auto Club 400 had 1 caution for 5 laps. 150. Dawson posted: 03.03.2019 - 11:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am not a big fan of this package, I don't like how you can hold it wide open, and i don't like how they are drafting like its Daytona and Talladega. No they weren't in big packs but they couldn't pass unless they had a big draft. The racing wasn't much different than years past except for the restarts. It takes very minimal skill to drive this package, Nascar has really taken everything out of the drivers hand. Nascar needs to get rid of a lot of the tracks on the schedule and they won't have to worry about trying to make a rules package to make racing better. I love nascar just as much as the next guy, and I will continue to watch every race, but I would rather see the horsepower back, and more short tracks instead of tracks like Las Vegas. 151. Danish_Pie posted: 03.03.2019 - 11:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Best Finish of 2019 to date for: Joey Logano (1st) Ricky Stenhouse Jr. (6th) Aric Almirola (7th) Chase Elliott (9th) William Byron (16th) Matt DiBenedetto (21st) Bubba Wallace (26th) Tied Best Finish of 2019 to date for: Kevin Harvick (4th) Alex Bowman (11th) Ryan Blaney (22nd) 152. Eric posted: 03.04.2019 - 1:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) If the stage breaks weren't counted toward the official caution count, this race would be the first caution-free race in seventeen years. 153. DorsalFin posted: 03.04.2019 - 1:04 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) LOOP DATA: Today's race had 47 green flag passes for the lead all throughout the racetrack and 3,345 total green flag passes. Both figures are MOST EVER at Las Vegas 154. Mannoroth posted: 03.04.2019 - 1:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 141. They don't mention it, because Harvick is not the first driver to have 100+ wins across all 3 series and because Harvick is way behind Kyle at this. But at least it's not Richard Petty, then Kyle Busch and no one else - they don't forget that Harvick has 106 NASCAR wins, Dale Earnhardt 97 wins etc. They just don't mention it, because no one else is close like Kyle... 155. Mannoroth posted: 03.04.2019 - 1:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Phew, no surprise. The weaker drivers that qualified well went immediately to the back and the old good names were again at the front running for the win. And I thought this package will be terrible, when someone like David Ragan or Ryan Preece start winning races... I'm glad I don't need to worry about it anymore. 156. racefangurl posted: 03.04.2019 - 1:20 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Nice race, huh? 157. Anthony posted: 03.04.2019 - 1:39 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Those pass stats don't mean much if there were lots of green flag stops 158. Sector posted: 03.04.2019 - 1:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) It does mean much because that would be less cautions to abuse strategies, it'll all be racing on the track. 159. Mile501 posted: 03.04.2019 - 6:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) It is astounding to see how much the current point standings reflect what we would expect to see. Usually, some drivers may have a really bad start to the year or others may have a surprisingly good start, and we see that reflected in the standings early in the season. In 2018, for example, Paul Menard (9th), Austin Dillon (10th), Bubba Wallace (15th), and Chris Buescher (16th) all had surprisingly good starts to the season and dropped quite a bit as the season went on. On the other hand, Erik Jones (19th), Chase Elliott (21st), Daniel Suarez (27th), and most notably Jimmie Johnson (29th) had rough starts to the season but would move up a lot later on. But after 3 races this year, there really aren't any big surprises other than Stenhouse being a bit higher than we'd expect and Hemric having a bit of a rough start. I'm not sure what to attribute it to; I just know that it is very unusual for the standings to look so "normal" after just 3 races. 160. Joker_#88 posted: 03.04.2019 - 7:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Gen 6 car and stupid rule changes every year has turned nascar into F1 on ovals. 161. DorsalFin posted: 03.04.2019 - 7:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @159 Exactly. 162. Drakion posted: 03.04.2019 - 8:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @154 most people are not impressed with Kyles overall win count because as stated over 50 of his nascar wins are in the trucks against kids with less experience and money in their trucks. No matter how much you pom pom for him in the end he has inflated numbers going for 200 wins the cowardly cheap way. 163. Larson&Blaney posted: 03.04.2019 - 9:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @162 you know what im not impressed by? Richard petty beating 16 other cars that didnt even finish within 2 laps of him and that counting as a cup win. 164. Trent posted: 03.04.2019 - 9:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) ugh. brutal race. and of course logano wins and his sponsor is pennzoil just like the race. 165. Bubba posted: 03.04.2019 - 10:01 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) 163, so let me get this straight: Cup driver beats other Cup drivers in a Cup race, due in part to having superior equipment: NOT IMPRESSIVE Cup driver beats teenagers and also-rans in a Truck race, due in part to having superior equipment: IMPRESSIVE Speaks volumes about your intellect. 166. Walker posted: 03.04.2019 - 11:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @164 "ugh. brutal race. and of course Logano wins and his sponsor is pennzoil just like the race". So, what is your point? That race was sponsored by Pennzoil last year and Logano had it on his car with a 7th place finish. Meanwhile, Harvick led 200+ laps and won in a Jimmy John's car... 167. Anonymous posted: 03.04.2019 - 11:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I want to say that in my opinion the racing was a little better yesterday than last season but not by much. I have been watching NASCAR since the late 80's and I was introduced to it by my father who had been watching since the mid to late 70's. He - who has been watching for the better part of 50 years texted me yesterday and said "I think I'm done." He went on to say I just don't understand the point of watching anymore. You have a good idea of who is going to win or the few cars that will be contending from the start and NOTHING ever happens. No on track incident again this week. I know this is a work in progress but that progress is taking too long. Fans today need to be given a reason to watch. I am loyal to a fault and will still keep watching no matter how frustrated I get but most others need a reason to pay attention and 400 miles of nothing happening is not it. 168. Mannoroth posted: 03.04.2019 - 1:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 160. Seriously? There weren't any real cautions, only stage breaks and still, 18 drivers managed to finish on the lead lap. Not to mention the fact there was actually a battle for the win in the final laps. In F1, Lewis Hamilton's car is just so good that he would be able to lap the entire field on the road course, if the race was longer and when something doesn't happen to him, it's obvious who's gonna win very easily without any pressure... That's the same like NASCAR on ovals? 162. You're wrong. Why? Only those recent wins can be described as easy wins, because there weren't many series veterans or talented drivers. However, Kyle's been winning in Trucks since 2005, he raced in that very competitive era and had to beat drivers like Skinner, Hornaday Jr., Bodine, Spraque, Sauter and many others. If you're able to beat someone like Hornaday, then it means something and it doesn't matter there aren't many Cup drivers. 163. Me neither. That is ridiculous. 165. When some Cup driver has the equipment that good he's able to lap the entire field a couple of times, it's not impressive (cough Petty cough). Definitely not, if it's just a 100 mile race or a 500 mile race. If some other Cup driver or series regular is able to run with the dominator and give him a hard time, it's impressive. That's the way it is. And it's also impressive, when something happens to the dominator and he can't win - just look at Jeff Gordon in late 1990s or at Kyle Busch in lower series. Some people even have an orgasm he won't win. 167. Of course, no Big Ones like on the superspeedways and the race is boring... It's not all about the crashes, it's all about the racing and it wasn't that bad. Plus, the Cup field is competitive, when 18 cars can finish on the lead lap without a single caution due to incident on the track. 169. Joker_#88 posted: 03.04.2019 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @168 Me saying nascar is pretty much F1 on ovals means there is a severe lack of variety in terms of possible teams and drivers that could win. If nascar wants to make a aero package that works they need to make it be more about the drivers feel for the car. 170. Bubba posted: 03.04.2019 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "When some Cup driver has the equipment that good he's able to lap the entire field a couple of times, it's not impressive (cough Petty cough). Definitely not, if it's just a 100 mile race or a 500 mile race. If some other Cup driver or series regular is able to run with the dominator and give him a hard time, it's impressive. That's the way it is. And it's also impressive, when something happens to the dominator and he can't win - just look at Jeff Gordon in late 1990s or at Kyle Busch in lower series. Some people even have an orgasm he won't win." It's amusing to me that you rate Ron Hornaday and Jack Sprague above Bobby Allison, David Pearson and Cale Yarborough. Let's take a look at Kyle Busch's Truck wins since 2005, when he was a Cup rookie and, you know, should've stopped stroking his ego on Fridays and Saturdays. He's led 6,591 out of the 20,435 laps he's raced -- about 33% of all laps he ran. From 1967-71, when The King won 92 races (the absolute height of his *CUP* dominance), he led 22,501 out of 61,848 laps -- about 36% of all laps he ran. So against Bobby Allison, Cale Yarborough, Buddy Baker and Jim Paschal, Petty led only three percent more laps than Kyle Busch has led against Matt Crafton, Brett Moffitt and a past-his-prime Mike Skinner. Clearly, Kyle Busch's equipment in Trucks is comparable to what Petty had in Cup: in both cases, superior to others. The edge goes to Petty, who didn't beat kids still holding learner's permits. 171. TeamDCRfan posted: 03.04.2019 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Im really looking forward to how this package will perform at bigger tracks such as Auto Club, Michigan, Indy and Pocono. Maybe it'll make Pocono worth watching again. 172. Sector posted: 03.04.2019 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You have a good idea of who is going to win or the few cars that will be contending from the start and NOTHING ever happens. No on track incident again this week." I really thought it was pretty racy up front among the leaders. Seems to me your old man wasn't truly a "race" fan and was more into the drama side of things. 173. Anonymous posted: 03.04.2019 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @ 172...I know it sounds that way but in reality you'd be hard pressed to find a more dedicated fan over the past 50 or so years. I am not going to stop watching but at the same time I see what other people's complaints are. You're right that it was "pretty racy" up front at times but that's is the problem I think. Defending a race for being "pretty racy." It's a RACE...It's supposed to be very racy. Pretty telling what Jimmie Johnson said about holding your foot to the floor and still getting passed and not having any option as a driver of what to do to make it better. I can't imagine how frustrating that must be. 174. Dawson posted: 03.04.2019 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can't agree with 167 and 173 enough I think you hit it right on the nail. Like I said earlier Nascar has taken everything out of the drivers hand, when you can hold it wide open the whole race then that is not racing. I want to be able to see who is the best driver, not who is the smartest engineer. This package is not racing and the new fans can't see that because they don't know what an actual race is. I will always be a fan of Nascar, I will always go to the races within a driving distance of my house, and I will always watch the races on TV, but with this package it is going to be a challenge to sit and try to watch these races. It was very frustrating yesterday watching these guys try and draft around each other like its Daytona. Anyway, looking forward to getting to Phoenix Sunday and watching some real racing. 175. Yeet posted: 03.04.2019 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) On the preliminary entry list for Phoenix, there are no non-chartered cars entered 176. Walker posted: 03.04.2019 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Even with the old low downforce package from 2016-2018, the driver skill still wasn't as important as they made it out to be. The engineers still had sneaky tricks up their sleeves to put more downforce in the cars to make them drive better. Excessive engineering is part of what's hurting the racing IMO. 177. Corey posted: 03.04.2019 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @176 It's more like excessive engineering in an extremely tight box. And thats something you'll find in other racing series as well. 178. Mile501 posted: 03.04.2019 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @176 Further evidence of that fact is seen in how closely teammates have begun to run together within races. Back when driver skill mattered more, the same organization might have one driver running 5th, another 15th, and a third back in 25th. Nowadays, whole organizations tend to qualify and run much closer together, giving evidence that it's more about the cars than the drivers. Atlanta provided a good example of this (finishing positions by organization): JGR 2nd, 6th, 7th, 11th SHR 4th, 5th, 8th, 10th Roush 13th, 18th Hendrick 15th, 17th, 19th, 24th RCR 20th, 21st 179. Mile501 posted: 03.04.2019 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As a follow-up to my comment #178, compare those numbers with the 2001 Las Vegas race and notice how much more spread out each organization's finishes were: Hendrick: 1st, 15th, 22nd Yates: 2nd, 19th Ganassi: 3rd, 28th Roush: 6th, 11th, 17th, 39th DEI: 7th, 13th, 23rd RCR: 8th, 18th Gibbs: 12th, 29th Evernham: 14th, 24th 180. 1995-Subaru-WRX-Sti posted: 03.04.2019 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Even with the old low downforce package from 2016-2018, the driver skill still wasn't as important as they made it out to be. The engineers still had sneaky tricks up their sleeves to put more downforce in the cars to make them drive better. Excessive engineering is part of what's hurting the racing IMO." Exactly. 2013 (further back) through now fans have complained about the quality of racing. The cars are over engineered and that isn't on NASCAR. It is on teams. The teams bring in the brains too skirt around the rules. NASCAR could change the rules almost weekly like they did in the late 90's (fans would endlessly complain about that even more then they do now... not really) but the teams would have the brains waiting too mess with the works. Even when the Gen 7 comes, the teams will have the brains waiting in the wings too screw with it. 181. Mannoroth posted: 03.05.2019 - 7:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 170. Well, they are basically Bobby Alisson, Cale Yarborough and David Pearson, but only in the Trucks. Not everyone is fortunate enough to make it to Cup and be competitive there... By the way, those kids you mentioned have basically more skills than some of those drivers that raced against Petty. Take a look at it - back then, some "drivers" just took their own car to try beating the best ones in Cup of the 1960s and they didn't have much experience from previous races. And of course, Petty and others kicked their arses. Those "kids" have to come through many races in their very early career to even make it to the Trucks. You can't just build your own Truck, bring it to some entry list and hope you will qualify like back then. So they are basically more skilled than those drivers that raced against Petty - it's just the talent level that isn't anything special, when most of them are just sons of some rich man that doesn't know what to do with money. And I'm not even talking about the fact Petty has never been robbed for the win by NASCAR's inconsistency and when he was supposed to win, he usually won and no one robbed him. Kyle Busch has to deal with the modern NASCAR and his inconsistency sometimes. 182. Sector posted: 03.05.2019 - 7:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Interesting facts in NASCAR history at Las Vegas for the Team Penske drivers. 1) Joey Logano was two laps shy of tying the driver for leading the most laps at Las Vegas Motor Speedway. He's never led the most laps at the track in his Cup career. In 2016 at Vegas, Joey Logano led 74 laps, just behind Jimmie Johnson who led 76 laps. In 2019 at Vegas, Kevin Harvick's 88 laps led in this race beats Joey Logano's 86 laps led. 2) While mentioning both the 2016 and 2019 races, BOTH Brad Keselowski and Joey Logano finished 1-2. Brad Keselowski won the 2016 race while Joey Logano finished 2nd. In this race in 2019, it was the opposite with Joey Logano beating Brad Keselowski to the line. How about that for the history books? 183. IvanBalakhonov posted: 03.05.2019 - 8:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @170 "From 1967-71, when The King won 92 races (the absolute height of his *CUP* dominance), he led 22,501 out of 61,848 laps -- about 36% of all laps he ran" You'd be amazed to discover that many of these 92 victories were in races with Petty being the only factory-backed driver in the field with no Baker, Paschal or Yarborough present. 184. Anonymous posted: 03.05.2019 - 9:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 174...."I want to see the who the best driver is - not the smartest engineer." I would give that comment 10,000 likes if I could. Sums up how I feel beautifully. To take it further though - I know these are all great drivers and I just want to see them all with drivable cars they can actually race with and pass each other. 185. Mannoroth posted: 03.05.2019 - 12:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 183. Plus all that I wrote in my previous post, Kyle's 197 NASCAR wins are more impressive than Petty's 200/201 NASCAR wins (depends on the fact, if you count Convertible Series as a national series). 186. ScottB posted: 03.05.2019 - 12:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #183- We can debate the level of competition all day long. Comparing figures from different eras is like this in all sports, full of "what if's." Fact is, Richard Petty went out and faced the best competition that was driving in his era at the Cup level to get to 200 wins. He didn't drop down one or two levels for some low hanging fruit. Kyle Busch and his fans (and NASCAR) are padding his total by trying to count lower series races with equal weight. No, it's not the same. Don't tell me Petty never caught any bad breaks. He had many engine failures in races he was dominating (common in his era), he missed more than half a season in his prime due to the MOPAR boycott, and had serious injuries in his career (as did Kyle Busch). There's no question Kyle has talent, I can see him getting 80-plus Cup wins before he retires. But not 200. Probably not 7 Cup championships, either. 187. IvanBalakhonov posted: 03.05.2019 - 12:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 186 I am not debating the fact that Richard won 200 races in the Cup Series. Stats are stats and the figures don't lie. He won these races fair and square. But I still think that we need to look at Richard's record with the grain of salt. My point is, we CAN compare his 200 victories with Kyle's soon to be 200 victories in terms of how difficult it was to get there. People tend to ignore Kyle's numbers as if is nothing, as if he is padding the stats. Though it is not 200 Cup wins, it is still a fantastic achievement. 188. Mannoroth posted: 03.05.2019 - 2:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 186. As I said, those drivers in the 1960s usually just brought their car to the race and that was it. Today, those rookies have to come from the bottom to the top, had to race a lot of races to even make it to Trucks, so they are more experienced, but not talented. So I wouldn't mention that fact in form of the "best competition". Pearson, Alisson, Yarborough or Waltrip are like Harvick, Edwards, Keselowski or Kenseth racing against Kyle in Xfinity. Only difference is that all those drivers have 80+ wins, because besides Petty, no one but those 5 drivers were that good and dominant. And of course, everything was considered as Cup back then, so that's a bulletproof argument, but if you really take a look at it, then you can't take it seriously, when Cup win can be some 100 mile race as well as some 500 mile race... Of course that Petty encountered some bad breaks, but not in form of NASCAR not throwing the yellow, when you're leading in the final lap and there's a lot of mess from your flat tire, for example. Or throwing the yellow, when you're leading with 2 laps to go, you're 50 meters from the white flag, for some debris... NASCAR's inconsistency has robbed Kyle Busch more times than Richard Petty, you can't deny this. 187. Exactly, you need to take a look at it properly to know the real truth. I said it before that I was really surprised that someone managed to win 200 races in one series, but when I took a look at it properly, I changed my mind. 189. ScottB posted: 03.05.2019 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The drivers Petty raced against were more experienced overall, not less. They usually spent years racing short tracks, then in the Modified and Sportsman ranks, where costs were lower. There were no talent scouts out there signing 15 and 16 year olds to development contracts for the big name teams (and there were big name teams other than Petty Enterprises). All those starts don't show up on this site because the record-keeping was haphazard at best, no one thought at the time that kind of info would be scrutinized by future generations. But people just showing up out of the blue in Grand National (now Cup) entries with little racing experience, no, that was very rare, maybe a few wealthy folks who wanted to go racing, but now you still see the same with "pay" drivers. The only difference in experience would possibly be at superspeedways, where it was harder to get seat time in Petty's era. Those were the events guys like David Pearson who liked lighter schedules would frequently enter, though. 190. ScottB posted: 03.05.2019 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looking at the ages of the ROTY winners at the Cup level from 1965-1974, the youngest was Pete Hamilton at 25 (1968 season) and the oldest was Walter Ballard at age 38 (1971 season). The average age of the 10 drivers works out to 30.2 years. Compare that to the average age of young prospects breaking into Cup in recent years. The old timers paid plenty of dues before they got their shot at the big time. 191. Mile501 posted: 03.05.2019 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @190 A couple of days ago, I was surprised to realize how "old" Daniel Hemric is--he's a Cup rookie at age 28. Fellow rookie Ryan Preece is 28 as well. Back in the day, that would have been pretty normal, but nowadays it does seem old. 192. Anonymous posted: 03.05.2019 - 9:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Mannoroth spewing his non-factual drivel again. I am convinced the guy is a paid employee of Kyle Busch and/or his PR team. 193. possum posted: 03.05.2019 - 9:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @167 - well, I can remember watching the end of the 76 Daytona 500, where Pearson beat Petty, so I guess I have much the same view as your dad. And he's right that "nothing ever happens" compared to races back then. Today the leader hardly ever blows a motor and drops out (you have to be a real old timer to have heard "spins in his own oil"). And with pit lane being closed on the yellow, you never get the running order totally jumbled by an ill-timed caution, as used to happen when you could pit whenever you liked. And tires today are vastly better - you never see someone suddenly struggle (or, conversely, get much faster) due to a change in stagger. There was a lot more suspense in the old races, because things could change unexpectedly for many reasons. Now, unless someone gets caught up in a crash, pretty much the only interesting thing that happens is the occasional botched pitstop. And it doesn't help that NASCAR has worked obsessively to make the cars the same. Back in the day you could look for your guy to find something new (anyone remember Harry Gant and the rear camber?), and have an advantage for a while, until everyone else figured it out. Now, by definition, anything new is against the rules, and the guy that finds it only has the advantage until NASCAR labels him a cheater, and gives him a big fine. That too takes a lot of the interest out of the sport. There's a lot of truth in what your dad is saying. 194. TeamDCRfan posted: 03.05.2019 - 9:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So if Dick Trickle was considered old when he won ROTY when Rookies were in their mid-late 20s early 30s, what would they classify him as now with guys starting when they are 18? Ancient? 195. Sector posted: 03.05.2019 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @193 While I understand what you're saying, you also have to be adaptive to change. This is what is huge struggle is for older generations. Not so tech savvy, so it's cancerous. That's his perspective and opinion at best. 196. Mannoroth posted: 03.06.2019 - 7:32 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) 192. Really? I come from Europe and I live in Europe, so how could I work for Kyle Busch, when I've never met him and I've never been to US? 197. Rowdy18 posted: 03.06.2019 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 'Power Rankings' based on average Loop Data Stats from this site for each car that has raced all races and is available for points. Harvick, Kevin 115.7 Busch, Kyle 107.3 Logano, Joey 104.1 Keselowski, Brad 98.2 Hamlin, Denny 94.9 Stenhouse Jr, Ricky 94.5 Truex Jr, Martin 93.8 Almirola, Aric 92.0 Larson, Kyle 91.7 Busch, Kurt 90.2 Jones, Erik 87.3 Bowyer, Clint 87.0 Byron, William 85.5 Elliott, Chase 84.0 Bowman, Alex 81.8 Blaney, Ryan 80.6 Suarez, Daniel 78.4 Johnson, Jimmie 71.6 DiBenedetto, Matt 70.7 Menard, Paul 69.1 Newman, Ryan 64.4 Buescher, Chris 62.1 Hemric, Daniel 62.0 Dillon, Austin 59.1 Ragan, David 57.7 Preece, Ryan 54.5 McDowell, Michael 54.1 Dillon, Ty 52.5 Wallace, Bubba 49.8 LaJoie, Corey 40.7 Tifft, Matt 40.4 Cassill, Landon 38.7 Ware, Cody 27.7 198. Anonymous posted: 03.06.2019 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @195...To each their own but I just disagree with you. This does not have to do with generations not being able to adapt so much as it has to do with the vast majority of races just being boring. If it were generational the newer generations would be loving NASCAR but they are not - not by a long shot. Now - I am not saying that people should be watching races just for the crashes - those people are idiots in my opinion - but there used to be a suspense to a race that just does not exist anymore. Watching a race now reminds me of watching practice back in the days that practice started to be televised. It's just very uneventful. I could have watched the first 5 laps after the initial start and after each caution for end of stage and missed very little Sunday other than some pit road penalties and a little bit of good racing for the lead near the very end. To me the biggest problem NASCAR needs to fix is WHY can the leader get away so far? This package was supposed to fix that but at both Atlanta and Vegas the leader got out to huge leads again. I remember back in the day when I was a little kid my dad would say something like "that guy is using up his car and he won't be there at the end" and a lot of times he was right. There was actual excitement over "will that car make it?" Now it's a 99% change they will and therefore boring. 199. Corey posted: 03.06.2019 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @198 But how does NASCAR fix that? They have tried multiple packages now and the results are still the same. Honestly, I find what we see in NASCAR to be the same in most other racing series, and the problems arise from the same circumstances. The rule book is so restrictive that everyone is running essentially the same car. The ones with the money can more easily develop and fine tune the car while the underfunded rides are stuck in what they can do. Most on track work is restricted so a lot is now done on simulators and computer models. Again, the ones with the money can use this stuff, while the ones without, can't. Gone are the days where a little team can stumble across something that can give them an advantage. Want to go back to the days of old? Ban the use of any and all simulators and computer models, and forbid teams from hiring anyone with a STEM degree. The problem with that is its impossible to police. 200. Anonymous posted: 03.06.2019 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 199...I agree with a lot of your solutions. I think banning simulators and allowing actual testing with some type of spending cap would help. Bottom line is NASCAR team are spending billions of dollars to produce very boring racing. In the old days they spent far less to produce far better and that made the sport so successful. I also think making cars less aero dependent would help along with always having a tire that has give up and the easiest fix as far as it's simplicity is more short tracks. I know that is not as easy as it sounds due to current track contracts and capacity for other short tracks but you can't deny that tracks that promoted good racing like Rockingham and Darlington keep losing dates to the "cookie cutters" and that has not helped. 201. possum posted: 03.06.2019 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @199 - well, you're right that everyone's running the same car (and it's not just that the rulebook is restrictive, it's that pretty much the whole car is designed by NASCAR). So there's an obvious starting point - go back to production car body shapes, and give the teams a limited tolerance to modify them. In fact, let's take that a step further, and go back to using a lot of production parts in the engine, transmission, and suspension, and give the teams some room to modify those, too. Yeah, 90% of the time the big money teams will find the good mods first, but every now and then a Leo Jackson or Runt Pittman will find something the big guys missed. And the big money guys are just as likely to get greedy, and start building 400 mile engines for 500 mile races... A lot of what's missing now is the opportunity to make mistakes. 202. possum posted: 03.06.2019 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @200 - well, technically Darlington and Rockingham aren't short tracks, but your point is valid. They are not easy tracks to drive, and too many of today's tracks are easy. Take N Wilks - that was a hard track to drive, because you were always entering turn 1 a lot faster than turn 3 (front stretch sloped downhill). Forget to back off early for turn 1 and things got interesting. The road courses today are the worst examples of "easy to drive". I hate watching Watkins Glen now-a-days, because there's no penalty for making a mistake. Overcook turn 1 or turn 5? No problem, just take a wide arc across the extra pavement and slot back in line...maybe not even lose a position. Not so long ago, if you got that wrong you were into the gravel trap, and probably lost a lap. The way ISC has "improved" Watkins Glen, I'd just as rather they dropped it from the schedule. 203. Corey posted: 03.06.2019 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @201, 202 The problem with production based cars, is that the manufactures are moving away from them. Ford only has the Mustang, and Chevy just closed down a few models. I'm sure it could be done I've seen comments on Yahoo about going back to the "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday" philosophy and I don't think those people really get today's car culture. On the tracks, part of what made North Wilkesboro and Darlington unique was the natural features they were built on and besides. It seems like a lot of the cookie cutters were built in flat areas. I do agree on Watkins Glen, It irks me when I see the cars swing so wide that you know they aren't even trying to stay in the track. F1 has come up with penalties for "ignoring track limits" since it was becoming a problem there as well. 204. Tarheel posted: 03.06.2019 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm in less aero camp, they'll never do it but I believe the biggest single thing Nascar could do to make the cars less aero would be getting them off ground about six inches. Look at the nose of any car on track today, practically sealed to the track surface. Look at tapes of races until about fifteen years ago, the car was sitting up and air was getting under it. I doubt they'll ever do it unless they can do it while ensuring that the cars won't becomes airborne in a spin. 205. 1995-Subaru-WRX-Sti posted: 03.07.2019 - 1:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Gen 7 is supposed too be based on production bodes and less aero dependent. it will also have a different power plant under the hood. I must disagree however with Corey on the removal of Computers and the advanced stuff the teams have. When/if NASCAR puts budget caps in place, 3rd party people maybe very well be sent too each team too view the balance sheet and too see what they have. It may very well turn into a case of; Compueter Simulator? Gone. 7 Post Shaker Rig? Gone. Wind Tuneel? Gone. That, that and that? Gone, gone and gone. "I think banning simulators and allowing actual testing with some type of spending cap would help." NASCAR banned testing because the teams complained it was too expensive. Yet all of the other stuff they have it also expensive. Anyone see a problem here? The teams haven't learned a damn thing from their past screw ups. 206. Anonymous posted: 03.07.2019 - 1:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 204...You're right that they won't do it but I think their fear of cars getting airborne is another problem. As long as the cars are not getting into the stands getting airborne is no where near as bad as a hard impact. 207. Corey posted: 03.07.2019 - 8:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @205 You can go ahead and disagree with me. Even, when I typed that, I knew it would only be a pipe dream. All a team needs to do is start some third party vendor that'll do the work for them, or even the manufactures take over. Imagine TRD doing both the aero and engines for JGR. Like any other rules, teams will just find a way around them. 208. Mile501 posted: 03.07.2019 - 8:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) @200, 202 "They are not easy tracks to drive, and too many of today's tracks are easy." Most new tracks are designed perfectly symmetrical. That has proven to be a bad thing. Why is Darlington so hard to drive? Because it's hard on tires and its asymmetrical, with one end narrower than the other. The two ends of Rockingham are a little different too, if I recall correctly, and someone already described how the two ends of North Wilkesboro are different. But most of these new 1.5 and 2-mile tracks are so easy to drive on, there's no real challenge. There are very few challenging tracks still on the schedule. (I can think of Darlington, Pocono, Martinsville, Sonoma, maybe Atlanta and Homestead due to worn pavement...but that's about it.) 209. Tarheel posted: 03.07.2019 - 10:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 208, I agree and would add that tracks like Rockingham and Darlington slowed the drivers down in two ways, the layout and the tire wear, lessening the effect of aerodynamics. I personally think that Bruton Smith blew it when he totally revamped Texas a few years ago. If you're going to completely redo the track, why make it into another 1.5 miler? Nascar races on a flat half mile (Martinsville) and a banked half mile (Bristol), two flat one mile tracks (Loudon and Phoenix) and a banked one mile (Dover), and a flat .75 mile (Richmond). Why not fill in the missing blank with a high banked .75 mile track? More variety and less aero dependency. He was probably thinking that he could fit more fans at a 1.5 mile track, but more seats are useless if you can't sell them. 210. Mile501 posted: 03.07.2019 - 12:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Martinsville, Gateway, and Chicagoland all have about the same seating. Bristol has more seating than all the 1.5-mile ovals other than Texas. The size of the track clearly doesn't affect seating capacity, though I have also heard that argument used many times. 211. Tarheel posted: 03.07.2019 - 12:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 210, in that case Smith pretty much had no reason for building another 1.5 mile track. He should have built that .75 miler with some high banks. 212. George_Costanza posted: 03.07.2019 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @211 with what I know about Bruton Smith, I'm sure it all has to do with money. Which is worth more, a short track or a large track? Normally it's the large track. His greed has been a major cause of NASCAR's decline. 213. 1995-Subaru-WRX-Sti posted: 03.07.2019 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @207, Rumor has it that the 3rd party funds (sneaky stuff) wouldn't be allowed. Rick Hendrick or Roger Penske couldn't use their own business money too help themselves out. Besides didn't the OEMs (Ford, Chevy and Toyota) go too NASCAR tell them too lower the HP on the engines because it was costing them too much? I highly doubt they would take over when they have already complained about the cost of the engines. 214. Tarheel posted: 03.07.2019 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We should get together and send Nascar a list of demands. 215. Sector posted: 03.08.2019 - 7:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "but you can't deny that tracks that promoted good racing like Rockingham and Darlington keep losing dates to the "cookie cutters" and that has not helped." A-FREAKIN'-MEN! "The road courses today are the worst examples of "easy to drive". I hate watching Watkins Glen now-a-days, because there's no penalty for making a mistake. Overcook turn 1 or turn 5? No problem, just take a wide arc across the extra pavement and slot back in line...maybe not even lose a position. Not so long ago, if you got that wrong you were into the gravel trap, and probably lost a lap. The way ISC has "improved" Watkins Glen, I'd just as rather they dropped it from the schedule." I TOTALLY AGREE! Phoenix too? I also remember the grass area Matt Kenseth ran into at the 2000 Talladega Dale Earnhardt won. That's no longer there. 216. Z posted: 03.08.2019 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I Don't Know How Nobody Thought Of This Earlier. We Want Variety? Good Racing? An Importance Of Driver Skill? x3 Words: Figure 8 Racing. I'm Calling NASCAR... 217. possum posted: 03.09.2019 - 11:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @207 - actually, having a third party could be a good thing. Ban the teams from having a 7-post shaker, and require sealed shocks (i.e. not adjustable by the teams). Then let Bilstein and Koni and KYB and whoever make their best part, and put their sticker on the car. And we could debate if Kyle Busch has an advantage at this track or that because Gibbs buys a better shock, or because he's just a better driver. @211 - at the time Bruton built Texas and Las Vegas, Charlotte (his original track) was selling out. He thus arrived at the false conclusion that there was something special about the Charlotte speedway design, and decided to more-or-less replicate it everywhere. Incidently, Texas has always been a 1.5 mile track (more or less, it's actually a tad short). It's been rebuilt twice - once a year or two after it opened (to increase the radius of the turns, because the drivers whined that it was too hard to drive), and once a couple of years ago to add progressive banking. 218. Luke posted: 03.11.2019 - 10:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) No. 51 was a Chevrolet as we can see here: https://twitter.com/RickWareRacing/status/1102316914984935425 219. UnderdogFan89 posted: 06.24.2019 - 1:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Top 10 Points Finishers. Actual Finish in parentheses. 1. Joey Logano (1) 2. Kevin Harvick (4) 3. Brad Keselowski (2) 4. Kyle Busch (3) 5. Martin Truex (8) 6. Denny Hamlin (10) 7. Ricky Stenhouse (6) 8. Chase Elliot (9) 9. Aric Almirola (7) 10. Kurt Busch (5) 220. Rich posted: 09.25.2020 - 11:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mike Joy, Darrell Waltrip and Jeff Gordon were the commentators. Matt Yocum, Vince Welch and Jamie Little were the pit road reporters. Larry McReynolds were the pit road reporters. 221. Rich posted: 12.14.2020 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larry McReynolds was the in-race analyst. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: