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  1.   Anonymous posted:
  10.15.2019 - 1:31 pm
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I think that Harvick will win. He has came close of winning the last two
races, but had bad luck in both of those races. If Harvick doesn't have
any issues, he has a great chance of winning. Last fall, he was leading
but had a pit road penalty. In the spring, he dominated that race until
he had a flat tire. I am keeping an eye on the "Freaky Fast" #4 on Sunday.


  2.   Mile501 posted:
  10.15.2019 - 3:34 pm
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These 4 drivers, grouped tightly at the bottom of the Round of 12
standings, either need to win at Kansas or score a lot of stage points
and hope a driver ahead of them encounters trouble. Here is a quick look
at how they've done over the last couple of years at Kansas:

Alex Bowman has improved each time he has raced at Kansas since taking
over the #88 full-time, with finishes of 18th and 9th last year, then
2nd back in the spring after leading 63 laps.

Chase Elliott won this race last fall, and finished 4th in the spring,
leading around 45 laps each time.

Clint Bowyer finished 5th at Kansas in the spring, but prior to that,
his last four finishes were between 9th and 19th.

William Byron has a terrible record at Kansas due to 2 DNFs in both
races last year. In the spring, he started 3rd but finished 20th.


  3.   61LongFan posted:
  10.15.2019 - 4:19 pm
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#66 Will Be Joey Gase (Sponsor Donate Life Kansas)


  4.   Minnowfur posted:
  10.15.2019 - 4:38 pm
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lol RS running the 27 car and the 77car


  5.   Sector posted:
  10.15.2019 - 4:51 pm
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#1 I would also throw in Joey Logano. Joey won Vegas earlier this year
and led the most laps in the Playoff. Joey started on the pole and led
the most laps at Kansas last year (which started his strength to the end
of the season following a Martinsville and Homestead wins for the
championship). Joey's won this race event in the fall twice before.
While Joey is only 20 points to the good entering Kansas, and Harvick 38
points to go the good for advancing to the next round as well, Joey
would want to score more stage points as he did finishing second both
stages last week at Talladega to safely secure himself and level up
where Kevin Harvick is after stage 2 basically.

I do agree, however, Harvick is the one to watch for. Logano and Harvick
seems to lead the most laps at these 1.5 mile / 267 laps races and
finish in the bottom half of the top 10 or 15 in the end. Strange how
that turns out in recent years.

Team Penske drivers Brad Keselowski won Kansas in the spring earlier
this year and Ryan Blaney won last week at Talladega. Joey Logano's turn
to win?


  6.   Anonymous posted:
  10.15.2019 - 5:20 pm
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5 I am a big Joey fan, but I agree if Harvick doesn't win, my next guess
would be Joey.


  7.   William24ByronFan posted:
  10.15.2019 - 5:53 pm
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Nice to see Timmy Hill driving for Spire Motorsports in the 77.


  8.   Danish_Pie posted:
  10.15.2019 - 6:02 pm
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Kansas always seems to get full 40 car fields, seemingly more than any
other non-superspeedway track. Which is really weird honestly, cause you
wouldn't expect it at Kansas of all places.


  9.   Chase9Fan posted:
  10.16.2019 - 7:32 am
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Likely a must win for Chase Elliott! Let's do it!


  10.   Maverick19 posted:
  10.16.2019 - 11:18 am
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Hoping that Harvick can pull off the win here if the last 3 races are
anything to go off of. The Kansas race in May still stings a bit for me

Not to mention that I'm getting anxious for 50 wins lol, just two away now.


  11.   Mile501 posted:
  10.16.2019 - 3:16 pm
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Battles to Watch:

-- Best of the Rest --
17. Jimmie Johnson
18. Daniel Suarez -1

(Paul Menard is practically locked into 19th.)

-- Who will round out the top 20? --
20. Chris Buescher
21. Ricky Stenhouse Jr. -22
22. Austin Dillon -24
23. Matt DiBenedetto -28

(Ty Dillon is practically locked into 24th.)

-- Who will round out the top 25? --
25. Daniel Hemric
26. Bubba Wallace -8
27. Michael McDowell -13
28. Ryan Preece -17

-- Who will be the sole full-time driver outside the top 30? --
29. Corey LaJoie +26
30. Matt Tifft +2
31. David Ragan
(Landon Cassill is not running for points but would rank well behind in
32nd.)

These sorts of battles used to be talked about more until the chase and
playoffs were instituted. Nevertheless, they are still interesting to
keep an eye on as the season winds down!


  12.   JSPorts posted:
  10.16.2019 - 3:58 pm
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@11 also of note in that 25th-place battle is the fight for rookie of
the year. Hemric has controlled this battle basically all year, but
Preece now finds himself just 17 points out.


  13.   ScottB posted:
  10.16.2019 - 6:11 pm
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@10-

The Buescher v. Stenhouse comparison will have some bragging rights on
the line now. Momentum has been in Buescher's favor recently, but this
could go either way.

I'm just happy that other people still pay attention to stats for
non-playoff drivers.


  14.   JSPorts posted:
  10.16.2019 - 6:19 pm
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I think Buescher vs. Stenhouse could go either way both this year & next
year. Roush seems to be trending downward over the past few years
(though Newman has had a resurgence in 2019), while JTG seems to be
headed in the opposite direction. I think Stenhouse will have more
success at JTG than Buescher will have with Roush, though I doubt either
will make the playoffs (at least not next year) or win a race.


  15.   Mile501 posted:
  10.16.2019 - 7:48 pm
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@14 - I wouldn't say Roush is trending downward. I think they're
trending upward. Ever since Kenseth ran a partial schedule last year,
followed by Newman this year, we've seen dramatic improvements with the
#6. By bringing Buescher back, I think the #17 will show similar
improvements next year.

On the other hand, JTG has seemed stuck in about the same place over the
last few years. I think Buescher has been getting more out of the
equipment than Stenhouse will.


  16.   Corey posted:
  10.16.2019 - 8:10 pm
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@15 I just looked at JTG's stats and its pretty telling when of the 16
Top 5's the team has accumulated, 4 of those came in 2009 with Marcos
Ambrose. 2009 was their first season. I do believe they had some sort of
alliance with MWR.


  17.   Spen posted:
  10.17.2019 - 12:39 am
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JTG was essentially MWR's third car in '09 and '10. They started their
own program in 2011.


  18.   Bayne&BowmanFan posted:
  10.17.2019 - 11:11 am
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The haulers have had a rough week. Rick Ware's #52 caught fire at
Talladega, Kaulig Racing's #10 crashed yesterday, and JTG Daugherty's
#47 caught fire today.


  19.   Mile501 posted:
  10.17.2019 - 11:17 am
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NASCAR has not medically cleared Austin Theriault to race at Kansas,
after being involved in a crash at Talladega. Garrett Smithley will take
his place in the #52 at Kansas.


  20.   TheDewCrew posted:
  10.17.2019 - 5:42 pm
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Anybody know what the doctors saw to hold him out of this weekend's race


  21.   Nascarfan3 posted:
  10.17.2019 - 6:53 pm
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Wen Theriault was involved in the big one (#2) Joey Gase slammed into
him and sent him driver side first into William Byron so a Mild
concussion wouldn't really surprise me too much.


  22.   Bayne&BowmanFan posted:
  10.18.2019 - 1:49 pm
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Preece will be using Buescher's backup car this weekend after his cars
were destroyed in the hauler fire.


  23.   Corey posted:
  10.18.2019 - 2:03 pm
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@23 And this is where I wonder how NASCAR's new chassis designation rule
is going to work next year should a situation like this occur again.


  24.   Corey posted:
  10.18.2019 - 2:12 pm
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I am glad the hauler driver of both the #47 JTG Cup team and the #10
Kaulig Xfinity are both okay. With that said, the financial burden this
is going place of both teams is going to be well into the 6 figures.
You're talking a trailer, two cars and lot of equipment for both teams.
That's a lot of things that's going to need fixing and replacing.

To think both teams just announced new full-time drivers for the 2020
season too.


  25.   Scott25 posted:
  10.18.2019 - 3:35 pm
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@8 field sizes are generally a reflection of the size of the purse.
Kansas seems to be like Texas used to be, with unusually large purses
for non-crown jewel events


  26.   GoPM21 posted:
  10.18.2019 - 3:51 pm
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@24
There's something called insurance...


  27.   possum posted:
  10.18.2019 - 6:00 pm
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@25 - I doubt that has much bearing on field sizes now. Payouts to the
charter teams are pretty much fixed, and payouts to the non-charter
teams are pretty small regardless (unless they have a really good
finish). In series where the purse is proportionally distributed (i.e.
there's no charter system evilness) the field size usually directly
relates to the purse.


  28.   Corey posted:
  10.18.2019 - 9:35 pm
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@26 Insurance or not, the 47 team is going to have to spend some extra
money now to replace some of those things they lost. Kaulig may get by
as it was a part time team so they could just not run any other races
they were intended to run.


  29.   William24ByronFan posted:
  10.19.2019 - 11:51 am
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Ryan Preece's 47 Kroger.com Chevrolet will not have any sponsors on the
side of his car at Kansas.


  30.   Rosschastainfan2019 posted:
  10.19.2019 - 2:26 pm
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Daniel Hemric got his First Career Pole!
David Ragan starting 2nd!


  31.   David posted:
  10.19.2019 - 2:32 pm
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Now there's a front row you don't see every day.


  32.   Ralphie posted:
  10.19.2019 - 2:39 pm
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WTF? Seven of the top 10 qualifiers are non-playoff drivers? The only
thing weirder than that would be if 7 of the top 10 finishers were
non-playoff drivers, and that has a 0% chance of happening unless Kansas
suddenly turns into Talladega.

The 4 drivers who are all but eliminated (say goodnight, Mr. Hendrick)
didn't exactly distinguish themselves either in qualifying or practice,
and since a win tomorrow is pretty much mandatory in order to advance,
barring very unlikely circumstances for the better cars...


  33.   rm posted:
  10.19.2019 - 2:55 pm
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Just the second ever front row start for Front Row Motorsports, the
other coming in 2014 when David Gilliland took the pole in the July
Daytona race thanks to a group qualifying session.


  34.   Yeet posted:
  10.19.2019 - 3:02 pm
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As if tomorrow wasn't gonna be crazy enough!!


  35.   Sector posted:
  10.19.2019 - 3:23 pm
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Please, Kevin Harvick, don't screw up by losing the best average start
of 2019...

Kevin Harvick is entering this race with a 7.5 average start, while the
next three best Bowyer (10.0), Keselowski (10.1) and Logano (10.2) are
merely a full two and a half positions behind! This will take a hit for
Harvick for sure starting last in 40th. Brad Keselowski (starting 4th)
will certainly make some gains however with 4 races to go I doubt anyone
will catch Harvick unless Harvick goes on a timeless streak like today...

I didn't watch qualifying so maybe someone can mention what happened.
Another Playoff contender last week at Talladega also started last,
which was Denny Hamlin. His engine blew on the backstretch before he
could complete his lap. Did the same happen to Harvick this week? Second
week in a row a Playoff contender starts last after qualifying without
posting a qualifying time!


  36.   Sector posted:
  10.19.2019 - 3:40 pm
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This race is a little different than the previous 3-4 races, as each of
the past 4 races leads to a first to last (either finishing or starting)
positions. This entire round of 12 Playoff has been giving us that
trend. 4 races ago Chase Elliott won at the Charlotte ROVAL to conclude
the Round 1 Playoff, he also led the most laps in that win. He begins
the Round of 12 by finishing last (38th, engine failure) at Dover. Denny
Hamlin has started on the pole. He led the most laps as well. He
proceeded to start last (40th, engine failure) at Talladega. Denny did
come out with a third place finish here.

Kevin Harvick started on the pole at the first Kansas race earlier in
the 2019 season. Kevin also led the most laps then. Now, later in the
season for the second Kansas race and the last round of the Round of 12
Playoffs, he starts last.


  37.   Mile501 posted:
  10.19.2019 - 3:53 pm
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@35 - Harvick failed inspection 3 times and was not allowed to qualify.

How did Front Row manage to get 2 cars in the top 6? Plus both RCR cars
and Bubba Wallace in the top 10...this qualifying session brings back
memories of the old days, when top cars often qualified lower and had to
work their way forward during the race.


  38.   Anonymous posted:
  10.19.2019 - 4:17 pm
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Field depth? In *my* NASCAR? It's... not very likely at all, actually.

Well done this week, everyone.


  39.   Scott25 posted:
  10.19.2019 - 4:23 pm
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@27 the cars that are increasing the field size are the non-chartered
cars, the 36 chartered teams are always there, and why would the
non-charter teams have more incentive to show up? Purse size. It doesn't
matter if it's a small percentage of what the chartered teams get, some
races still have more than others


  40.   34McDowellFan posted:
  10.19.2019 - 4:43 pm
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I love this front row lol


  41.   Mbenoit posted:
  10.19.2019 - 4:56 pm
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The deep stat on this qualifying session has to be: when was the last
time the front row in a Cup race was shared by two drivers ranked 25th
or worse in points?


  42.   Onion posted:
  10.19.2019 - 6:18 pm
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It was the 2014 Coke Zero 400.

Gilliland sat on pole while ranked 31st in points with Reed Sorenson on
the outside, 33rd in points.

Outside plate tracks it's either some early-season race where the front
row drivers had a bad 500 or the 2011 Wonderful Pistachios 400, where
28th Reutimann sat on pole with 25th McMurray starting alongside. But
that was a far more competitive season than this one.


  43.   Mbenoit posted:
  10.19.2019 - 6:19 pm
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Answer to the above question: 2014 Coke Zero 400 at Daytona. David
Gilliland shared the front row with Reed Sorenson. Both drivers entered
that race outside the top 30 in points.


  44.   Mbenoit posted:
  10.19.2019 - 6:19 pm
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We answered at the same time! Lol good job


  45.   Anthony posted:
  10.19.2019 - 6:24 pm
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#29 Preece's car has sponsors on the sides. The car was mid wrap
yesterday and finished after practice last night.


  46.   PucciMan posted:
  10.19.2019 - 7:16 pm
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Where did Ragan get that speed from?


  47.   Anonymous posted:
  10.19.2019 - 7:51 pm
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Well, they're on the throttle a lot so it's not surprising to see a few
upsets in qualifying, 24th is only 0.3 off the pole. Still a nice effort
by the #38 & #34 teams. I'd not be suprised to see drivers like Kyle
Busch get frustrated tomorrow since it'll probably be hard to pass,
restarts will be crucial.


  48.   Bayne&BowmanFan posted:
  10.20.2019 - 8:59 am
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Here's an interesting stat:

Over the last 7 NASCAR races (all 3 series), the winners all have < 10
career wins in that respective series.

Xfinity Roval: AJ Allmendinger- 3 career wins
Cup Roval: Chase Elliott- 6 career wins
Xfinity Dover: Cole Custer- 9 career wins
Cup Dover: Kyle Larson- 6 career wins
Trucks Talladega: Spencer Boyd- 1 career win
Cup Talladega: Ryan Blaney- 3 career wins
Xfinity Kansas: Brandon Jones- 1 career win

I'm not sure how rare this stat is, but it means that Keselowski,
Logano, Hamlin, Harvick, the Busches, Truex, Bell, Sauter, Crafton,
Moffitt, and more have all been shut out in the past couple of weeks.

Drivers who could continue the trend today would be Bowyer, Elliott,
Bowman, Byron (the 4 drivers currently out of the next round), Larson,
Blaney, Hemric, Suarez, Almirola, and many others.


  49.   Corey posted:
  10.20.2019 - 10:16 am
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@48 Bowyer would break that trend as he has 10 Cup victories already.


  50.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 12:43 pm
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Based off this weekend I'm gonna go with Keselowski for the win today


  51.   GiveMajeskiAChance posted:
  10.20.2019 - 1:28 pm
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This might be the most "WTF?" top 10 in qualifying I've ever seen on a
non-plate track.


  52.   GiveMajeskiAChance posted:
  10.20.2019 - 1:28 pm
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Wishful thinking here but I'd love to see Hemric win just to make
Richard Childress look stupid for giving up on him after one year.


  53.   createcrept posted:
  10.20.2019 - 1:28 pm
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Holy crap Hemric won the pole


  54.   David posted:
  10.20.2019 - 2:09 pm
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Expecting a pretty mundane race today, with the 8 drivers who will be
advancing (the 8 who already hold that position in the points) all
finishing in or very near the top 10 as they all run a very safe, clean
race and anyone who gets near them on the track does too.

So the final 8 will be 7 of the best cars on the track... and Kyle
Larson. At least underdog rooters will have a clear favorite, though I'd
add Blaney to that list as well however it's highly unlikely either one
of them makes the final 4.


  55.   TeamDCRfan posted:
  10.20.2019 - 2:42 pm
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The Grand Marshals do realize that they can say "Gentlemen, start your
engines" right?


  56.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 2:49 pm
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We're green at Kansas


  57.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 2:52 pm
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Larson to the lead


  58.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 2:53 pm
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Keselowski to the lead


  59.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 2:54 pm
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Larson back to the lead


  60.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 2:54 pm
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Newman on pit road already, may have a tire down


  61.   A.J. posted:
  10.20.2019 - 2:55 pm
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Front row Ragan almost outside the top 20 already.


  62.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 2:56 pm
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Bowman has some damage to the left rear quarter panel


  63.   rm posted:
  10.20.2019 - 2:57 pm
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Back to your regularly scheduled programming for FRM, with both cars
already having lost 20+ spots each in under 15 laps.


  64.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 2:58 pm
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Ragan has hit the wall and is now on pit road no caution


  65.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:06 pm
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Bowman has gone a lap down


  66.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:06 pm
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Logano on pit road now for a vibration


  67.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:07 pm
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Logano is back on track 2 laps down now


  68.   A.J. posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:10 pm
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That's probably all she wrote for Bowman's season. He did quite well to
get as far as he did.

Logano's going to need a break or two, or have Elliott suffer some of
his typical bad luck lately, otherwise we've got a real battle for the
#8 spot all of a sudden.


  69.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:10 pm
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Green flag pit stops starting now


  70.   Corey posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:12 pm
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22 with a loose wheel. It's one thing when it comes after a pit stop,
there is no excuse when its the tires you start on.


  71.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:22 pm
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Pit stops have cycled through, Larson leads Suarez by 1.3 seconds


  72.   Ralphie posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:23 pm
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Bowman, while still the first car a lap down, reports alleged debris on
the track. Race control says "nice try kid, that only works for certain
drivers."


  73.   ABear posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:23 pm
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What happened to the 43? Could have sworn he was in the top 15 before
pit stops, but now he's a lap down.


  74.   David posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:25 pm
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Daniel Suarez running 2nd?!? At least he was when I was typing this.


  75.   Timothy_Eklund posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:27 pm
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Missed the start due to to covering my grandparents pool. Nice to see
Suarez in 2nd.


  76.   Mile501 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:27 pm
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@51 - Surprising qualifying results used to happen pretty regularly,
10-15 or more years ago.

@54 - Chase Elliott is one of the top 7 drivers this season (and over
the last couple of seasons), and unfortunately he is unlikely to
advance. Blaney and Larson are both outside the top 7.


  77.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:29 pm
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Caution for debris from Newman's car


  78.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:30 pm
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Newman tried to clear his teammate Stenhouse which put Newman into the
wall and caused the damage for the debris


  79.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:31 pm
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Logano is back on the lead lap after pit stops cycled


  80.   A.J. posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:31 pm
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Harvick damn near went a lap down there, this saves his ass. He is in no
real danger of failing to advance if he just finishes the race.

Also now the 88 team can finally work on that damage but they won't be
getting back on the lead lap anytime soon.


  81.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:31 pm
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Most of the leaders pit, Blaney stays out and will be the new leader


  82.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:32 pm
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Blaney, Bowyer, Logano and Stenhouse stayed out under this caution


  83.   Ralphie posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:32 pm
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Huge break for Logano (and conversely, not for Elliott) too.


  84.   joey2448 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:34 pm
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Two-lap dash to decide stage 1.


  85.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:36 pm
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Logano wins stage 1


  86.   A.J. posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:36 pm
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From 2 laps down to winning the stage, massive pot of luck for
Leprechaun Logano.


  87.   joey2448 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:36 pm
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That was a wild scramble. They were 5-wide at one point down the
backstretch.

Logano wins the stage.


  88.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:38 pm
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Newman has retired from the race


  89.   Edwards2020 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:38 pm
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If Stenhouse didn't wreck his teammate, Logano wouldn't have gotten the
stage win


  90.   Chives5150 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:38 pm
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5 WIDE!


  91.   Chase9Fan posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:39 pm
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You have got to be freaking kididng me!!! Caution really screwed the 9
team. No freaking luck! 22 horse shoe up their arse.


  92.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:40 pm
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Logano and those who had stayed out pit now, Elliott is now the leader


  93.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:41 pm
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Kyle Busch has some damage to the rear of his car that his crew is
looking at during his pit stop right now


  94.   David posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:41 pm
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That's how it goes, unfortunately. Elliott was 2nd in the stage, not
exactly screwed as far as that goes, but Logano certainly won the
lottery there and even after pitting and giving back the track position
is still on the lead lap and in great shape to advance, which after all
was practically ensured coming into the race.


  95.   RyanM posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:44 pm
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God, Logano has such a golden horseshoe stuck up his ass.


  96.   Chase9Fan posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:44 pm
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NO caution and Elliott finishes 5th in Stage and Joey no points, and
it's wide open at that point. But NOOO.. Dammit just so issed. Sick of
the horse shoe with the 22.


  97.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:45 pm
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Suarez to the lead


  98.   A.J. posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:45 pm
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Elliott with the "Jeff Gordon Restart" and slides back with SUAREZ now
in the lead!


  99.   Ralphie posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:47 pm
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Bowman still a lap down, the damage might be fixed but he (like Logano)
needs a lucky caution to go his way. If he gets back on the lead lap
before 100 more laps go by, Bowman could be a factor in the points if
Logano doesn't race up through the field.


  100.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:48 pm
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Truex to the lead


  101.   Mile501 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:49 pm
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@96 - There is only a 7-point swing between those 2 scenarios (Elliott
gaining 6 points versus losing 1 point). It's not quite as significant
as you made it sound (though, of course, 7 points could end up making a
difference--we don't know yet).


  102.   David posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:50 pm
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Bowman still has 1 more car to pass to get into position for the lucky
dog, as if we'll see a caution when that happens anyway. Maybe Jimmie
Johnson could get a suddenly itchy arm???


  103.   Chase9Fan posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:50 pm
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22 still isn't as fast, but that horse shoe man.


  104.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:55 pm
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Johnson just made a pit stop for a fender rub


  105.   David posted:
  10.20.2019 - 3:58 pm
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Now Bowman is in position until Truex starts lapping cars. No caution
for JJ rubbing the wall.


  106.   George posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:00 pm
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Hate to break it to you, but Bowman just getting back on the lead lap
means almost squat. He, like the 14 and the 24 and probably the 9
realistically, needs to win the race and forget about points.


  107.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:00 pm
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Gase has spun caution is out


  108.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:00 pm
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Bowman will get the free pass


  109.   Mile501 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:00 pm
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Byron has climbed to 6th. Elliott runs 2nd. Should either of them win
today, Logano and Keselowski will be very close for the final transfer
spot (unless someone ahead of them has an unexpected problem).


  110.   David posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:01 pm
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I'd rather it be a different Joey, but thank you Mr. Gase.


  111.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:04 pm
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Larson has been penalized for an uncontrolled tire so he will go to the
rear of the field


  112.   Anon posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:05 pm
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I used to think Gase was a Landin Cassill level guy, but boy was I
wrong. He's been really bad lately in every series.


  113.   Ralphie posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:06 pm
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Geez, good thing the 42 isn't racing for anything important today.


  114.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:06 pm
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Kyle Busch made a second pit stop because of a hung throttle


  115.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:10 pm
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Hamlin to the lead


  116.   A.J. posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:13 pm
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Long way to go, but the superior cars have moved to the front. A couple
of drivers racing for nothing at all (Larson, Kyle Busch) are currently
a ways back, but the top 8 coming in are doing exactly what they need to
do to advance and it's going to take some serious luck for the 24 or 9
(though running well) to break through and win.

It sure would be something if those 2 were 1-2 on the final lap, racing
for the win. Except that they'd probably wreck each other out.


  117.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:17 pm
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Bowyer reporting a vibration in the drive line


  118.   Sector posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:22 pm
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It wasn't mentioned before but Joey Logano winning stage 1 means he won
a stage for the 10th time this season, the second driver in 2019 to
achieve his 10th stage wins behind Kyle Busch (who has 11).


  119.   Chives5150 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:24 pm
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Joey Gase needs a hug after this weekend.


  120.   Mile501 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:27 pm
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Even if all the Hendrick drivers get eliminated today (a near certainty
unless one of them wins), Hendrick has shown steady progress this
season--especially Byron--and I look for all 4 teams to be even stronger
in 2020.


  121.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:28 pm
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Hamlin wins stage 2


  122.   Sector posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:32 pm
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Hamlin wins his 5th stage of the season in Stage 2.

Kyle Busch made his way from 25th, last car on the lead lap after his
pit stop under the last caution, to 10th with 2 laps to go in the stage.
He was battled by teammate Erik Jones for 10th the last 2 laps, and it
looks like Busch will prevail for that 10th and final stage point
position of Stage 2. They didn't show the finish but can't tell if team
order was in play or the racing was actually intense for that position.


  123.   Sector posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:35 pm
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Wow, Kyle Busch picked up 5 spots on pit road under this stage caution,
from 10th to 5th, with a 4 tire stop. His crew nailed it this stop
unless something suspicious come up.


  124.   Mile501 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:37 pm
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Based on where they're running, Elliott (who is 3rd) is just 3 points
behind Keselowski (who is 14th). Elliott may yet advance to the Round of
8 even if he doesn't win, if Keselowski doesn't improve by the end of
the race.


  125.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:37 pm
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Hamlin and Truex are now locked into the next round of the playoffs
based on points


  126.   RaceFanX posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:39 pm
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The top-9 are all playoff drivers.


  127.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:40 pm
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Blaney reporting a vibration now


  128.   joey2448 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:44 pm
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With less than 90 laps to go, it's three Gibbs drivers vs. one Penske
driver. Hamlin leads Blaney, Truex and KyBusch.


  129.   RaceFanX posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:49 pm
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Kyle Busch has been told he only needs to finish 25th or better to make
it to the next round...If you think Rowdy is going to back off and point
in like that though you haven't watched enough NASCAR.


  130.   Ralphie posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:52 pm
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I'm missing the days when Talladega was the elimination race for this
stage.

Obviously that's a track where results can be pretty random, and NASCAR
apparently doesn't want any "unpleasant" surprises in race #32, so we
get a track more prone to parades and very predictable results like last
year here where all 12 playoff drivers but 1 finished in the top 13.
Today is lining up to be a very similar outcome though at the moment we
at least have 1 of the 8 advancing position possibly in some doubt.


  131.   RaceFanX posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:55 pm
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If just for a moment all of the "Recent User Comments" on the site are
on this one race. Good amount of conversation today.


  132.   joey2448 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:55 pm
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Keselowski is struggling with handling issues and has fallen all the way
to 19th as the field completes lap 200. He's currently standing just two
points above the cutoff.


  133.   David posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:56 pm
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Since it's clear that there will be no upset winner today barring a
miracle, the battle for the 8th place advancing slot is the main focus
of the race right now in the middle of the final stage. Keselowski is
clinging to a narrow lead over Elliott, but Chase has mostly superior
cars in front of him (or equal ones like Byron/Larson) and is more
likely to fall back than move forward. Kes isn't pushing hard right now
as far as I can tell, but he probably doesn't need to do anything
drastic at all.


  134.   Chase9Fan posted:
  10.20.2019 - 4:56 pm
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Just doesn't seem like the 9 team day. Brad is trying to give it to
them, yet they are losing spots as well. This is frustrating as hell.


  135.   A.J. posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:00 pm
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If it comes down to it and Chase needs just 1 more point to advance, his
teammate Byron could suddenly put out the parachute and fall behind the
9. I wouldn't really want to see it happen that way, and after last
week's KGB-like Chevy conspiracy meeting at Dega I highly doubt they'd
have the nerve to try anything like that anyhow.


  136.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:02 pm
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Green flag pit stops starting now, could be the final stops of the day


  137.   RaceFanX posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:02 pm
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NASCAR has to be hoping that #9 finds some extra speed given Elliott's
popularity.


  138.   Gman2007 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:03 pm
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Dillon screwing up again


  139.   RaceFanX posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:03 pm
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Green flag pit stops are starting with 53 to go. Harvick and Jones are
among the first to come in. Bowyer pits with his #14 ill handling today
as he stares down elimination.


  140.   Ralphie posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:07 pm
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If Larson hadn't won previously, and if Bowyer could get his act
together, we could've wound up with 0 Chevys in the final 8. As it
stands, it's likely to be Larson alone. Though Bowman is leading right
now; too bad it doesn't look like rain is imminent.


  141.   RaceFanX posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:10 pm
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Alex Bowman pits with 41 to go just after the #88 started sputtering.


  142.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:10 pm
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Pit stops have cycled through, Hamlin leads Kyle Busch by six tenths


  143.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:10 pm
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Keselowski goes a lap down


  144.   joey2448 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:11 pm
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Hamlin puts Keselowski a lap down with 40 laps to go. He's in danger of
missing the next round.


  145.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:11 pm
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Now Bowman goes a lap down


  146.   A.J. posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:16 pm
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So Bowman needs to prevent Brad from getting into the lucky dog spot,
and then Chase desperately needs a caution AND A GOOD RESTART FOR A
CHANGE in order to have any chance at all of squeaking into 8th place in
the points.

Unless the engine grenades on the 2 or the 20 or something like that.


  147.   Mile501 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:17 pm
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@130 - Talladega was a terrible elimination race. Not only are the
results pretty random, but when it was an elimination race, the top few
drivers who were almost (but not entirely) into the next round
intentionally ran around 30th-35th all day to play it safe.


  148.   Ralphie posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:18 pm
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I think you mean the 2 or 22, but I'm OK with the 20. Anything like that
would bring out a caution, probably.


  149.   A.J. posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:20 pm
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In that case let it be the 18 and he might even fail to advance if that
happens. I'd laugh for a month.


  150.   David posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:21 pm
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Hamlin bumps the 21 for no reason, maybe Menard can help decide the
outcome of this race if he can get back to the 11 (fat chance).


  151.   joey2448 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:23 pm
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Blaney just scrubbed the wall with 16 to go. Blaney's running third.


  152.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:24 pm
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Caution for debris from Blaney's car


  153.   RaceFanX posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:24 pm
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Blaney slows as his tire blows out. There's debris on the track and now
the caution is out.


  154.   joey2448 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:24 pm
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And now the caution is out with 15 laps to go!! Blaney's meeting with
the wall cut the tire and the #12 shredded it, putting debris on track.


  155.   David posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:25 pm
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Sucks for Blaney, but better he gets that out of his system now. Of all
the Penske cars it had to be THAT one. :-(

But this opens the door, however slightly, for Blaney's buddy Chase
Elliott to have one last shot at advancing while at the same time
possibly costing Blaney's teammate that privilege.


  156.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:27 pm
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Top 3 cars took 2 tires, Kyle Busch is the first car off pit road with 4
tires


  157.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:28 pm
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Keselowski will take the wave around


  158.   Chives5150 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:30 pm
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Keselowski is toast.


  159.   Gman2007 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:31 pm
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Let's go Denny


  160.   FoMoCo posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:31 pm
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A chunk of rubber on the apron. OMG such a safety hazard!


  161.   Sector posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:32 pm
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#160 if a car happens to run over it, and sends the debris flying into
the stands, injuries someone by impact, wouldn't be good for NASCAR.


  162.   RaceFanX posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:32 pm
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Hamlin vs Larson up front with nine to go as Elliott and Keselowski
battle for the last playoff spot. It's Bill's boy vs Bob's now.


  163.   George posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:32 pm
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Toast? Hardly. He's doing just fine.


  164.   A.J. posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:33 pm
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Elliott has advanced as far as he can. He ain't passing no Gibbs Toyotas.


  165.   RaceFanX posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:33 pm
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Hamlin leads Kyle with Chase third.


  166.   joey2448 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:34 pm
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Erik Jones gets way out of shape off turn 4 and nearly wrecks but saves
it. That allows Chase to gain a few spots and is now currently TIED with
Brad for the final spoT!


  167.   joey2448 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:34 pm
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Chase up to second!!!


  168.   David posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:34 pm
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I'd very much like to see that statement proven wrong... and now it has
been.


  169.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:35 pm
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Wallace and Tifft crash hard


  170.   George posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:36 pm
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Anyone watched Chase's restarts lately? Kes has this, thank you Bubba.


  171.   joey2448 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:37 pm
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Wow the #43 loses an entire wheel and crashes off turn 2. Something
mechanical seriously broke.

As it stands, Elliott is running second and is two points ahead of Brad
for the cutoff! Wow that last restart was huge.


  172.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:38 pm
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Back half of the field pits under caution


  173.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:38 pm
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Top 13 cars stayed out


  174.   David posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:38 pm
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Brad's getting fresh rubber. What did he sacrifice on the track to get
that? Not much, from what I can tell.


  175.   George posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:39 pm
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Kes _really_ has this now.


  176.   Sector posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:40 pm
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Holy cow I thought Erik Jones and Kyle Larson weren't going to crash
when Jones nearly lost it!

The ending of this race is pretty intense. Kyle Busch hasn't won in a
while, trying to get his first win in the second half of the 2019
season. Chase Elliott having a restart of his life and trying to stay in
the championship conversation. Brad Keselowski continues to fall back
with the points advantage. Everyone else is racing their hearts out too
because why not.


  177.   Jacob posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:41 pm
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@171 Bubba Wallace got out on his own power; but to suffer the damage
the #43 did seems to be yet another example of the sad state of affairs
re: Richard Petty Motorsports


  178.   joey2448 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:41 pm
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So Keselowski stopped for fresh tires and is up to 15th. I think he
maybe got ahead of some cars that also pitted?

Anyway, with the 2-lap overtime restart, Eliott is now back -1 point
behind Brad. So he may have to win this thing to keep his championship
hopes alive.


  179.   Sector posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:42 pm
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#176 meant to say I thought Jones/Larson WERE going to crash*

It definitely made Kyle Busch and Chase Elliott go further down the
apron too thinking something was going to happen as they were passing
them when that moment occurred, which was the battle for second I believe.


  180.   A.J. posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:42 pm
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Surely the #20 will help push the #9 (into the wall, maybe). Actually
I'd think the Gibbs gang would fear Chase less going forward than
Keselowski. Maybe they will help (ha ha).


  181.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:43 pm
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Big crash with Logano involved don't know if the leaders got the white flag


  182.   A.J. posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:43 pm
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Holy crap! Golden horseshoe Logano eats some grass!


  183.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:44 pm
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Caution came out first so we'll have another attempt


  184.   David posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:44 pm
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The 41 had a pretty good day, too bad it ended like that.


  185.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:44 pm
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Suarez and Hemric were also involved in the wreck


  186.   Sector posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:45 pm
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Looks like Brad Keselowski gained three spots passing cars off pit road.

On this restart Brad is back in the 8th playoff spot. Chase might need
to win.


  187.   11darknight10 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:45 pm
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AND PEOPLE SAY NASCAR IS BORING


  188.   11darknight10 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:45 pm
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AND PEOPLE SAY NASCAR IS BORING


  189.   David posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:45 pm
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Chase will be restarting 3rd rather than 2nd, right? That might be a
blessing.


  190.   11darknight10 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:45 pm
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sorry glitch


  191.   joey2448 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:46 pm
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Suarez spun out trying to avoid hitting Keselowski off turn 4 and
collected Hemric in the crash. Keselowski got lucky not crashing there
as well. And Logano got turned through the grass on that.

Just before that, Chase didn't get a great restart and dropped to third.
Now as it stands:

7. Keselowski +4
8. Logano +3
----
9. Elliot -3


  192.   Sector posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:47 pm
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Wait... That's really close. The leaders were coming to the white when
that wreck occurred. I thought the race was over after that. Damn.
Another attempt at a restart.


  193.   A.J. posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:47 pm
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Seeing some nice damage on the 22. Not many takers on pit road, and
we'll see if they can get it fixed enough to gain spots.


  194.   Scott25 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:48 pm
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It's Talladega 2015 all over again


  195.   Ralphie posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:48 pm
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Don't discount the fact that there may be another yellow.


  196.   A.J. posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:50 pm
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Chase-Byron lined up behind the 11. Drive right through him please and
then duke it out for the win.


  197.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:52 pm
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Hamlin wins at Kansas


  198.   A.J. posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:52 pm
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Chase makes it, Brad don't. Amazing.


  199.   Sector posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:53 pm
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So race leader Denny was about 10 feet (half a car lengths?) from the
start/finish line when that crash happened. It was simply that close to
ending this race but instead we have another action restart to go through.


  200.   Altracing posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:53 pm
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It looks like Keselowski, Byron, Bowyer and Bowman have been eliminated
from the playoffs


  201.   Mile501 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:53 pm
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It looks like Elliott beat Keselowski by 3 points for the final transfer
spot.


  202.   Sector posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:54 pm
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#199 my stream is a bit behind everyone else's it seems.


  203.   Chase9Fan posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:54 pm
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WOW!!!! HECK YEAH!!

THe win would have ben nice, but I'll take it!


  204.   Tarheel posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:54 pm
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As a Chase Elliott fan, the last ten laps took ten years off my life.
That's right, one year per lap. Now I just hope the running order holds up.


  205.   George_Costanza posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:55 pm
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Anything to help the Golden Boy, right? NASCAR would've thrown a caution
for a piece of paper if it helped the 9.


  206.   A.J. posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:56 pm
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Damn right, 205. How'd they get Logano to spin like that?


  207.   RandomFacts posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:56 pm
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Thats 5 wins for Denny this season after going winless last season.

Its kinda funny, this time last season people were talking about Denny
being replaced because he was done.


  208.   Maverick19 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:57 pm
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Wasn't at a TV but I'll need to watch the end to this, sounded pretty good.

After the fustercluck the 4 car had in qualifying I'll take a 9th place
finish and moving to the next round. Little room for error from here on
out though.

With this win Hamlin is just 30 laps away from 10,000 career laps led.


  209.   joey2448 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:58 pm
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Denny Hamlin gets his fifth win of the 2019 season, and Chase Elliott
finishes second to sneak into the round of eight. Chase made it in by 3
points ahead of Keselowski, who lost out in the final two laps.
Keselowski got jammed up midpack following the restart and then brushed
the wall off turn 2 on the final lap. That's a big contender knocked out
of title contention.


  210.   FoMoCo posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:58 pm
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NASCAR's Golden boy advances with 2 laughable cautions helping the
cause. They know damn well he's good at Martinsville


  211.   Jason24 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:58 pm
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Brad got swallowed up on that restart. Couldn't get any momentum going.


  212.   Sector posted:
  10.20.2019 - 5:59 pm
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This is the second straight fall Kansas race where Kyle Busch finishes
behind Chase Elliott. Elliott won last year with Kyle second. Today they
both finished a position behind where they finished last year, second
and third, respectively.

Brad Keselowski was stuck in traffic big time after that restart and
lost a lot of positions. Cars were passing him on both sides and Brad
was trying to avoid losing control and hitting everyone. Crazy.

After Penske winning the SportsCar Prototype championship in
WeatherTech, Bathurst 1000 in Australian SportsCar and Talladega Cup
race last week with Ryan Blaney, that momentum as come to an end this
week. All three Penske cars had trouble and struggled with Brad
Keselowski eliminated from championship conversation by not making it to
the Round of 8.

Joey Logano makes it to the next round without scoring a Top 10 finish
in each of the three races this round.


  213.   William24ByronFan posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:00 pm
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Byron eliminated, eh, still time for that first career win! And best
Kansas finish, and a top 5, great job! Let's keep that momentum up for
the next 4 races.

@205 If it was rigged for the 9, then NASCAR would put a restart
violation on the 11.


  214.   Taylor posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:00 pm
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All the B's are now out of the playoffs (Brad, Bowyer, Bowman and Byron).


  215.   RyanM posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:01 pm
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Brad completely laid an egg today with a 20 point cushion going in.
That's all there is to it, but keep up the crying and conspiracy
theories Chase haters!


  216.   RaceFanX posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:02 pm
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@212
They got slapped with a massive fine on that Bathurst win too...


  217.   JFM01 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:08 pm
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@214
Blaney is still there


  218.   George_Costanza posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:09 pm
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Honestly though, isn't it possible that when a crash occurs right before
the start finish line, NASCAR can manipulate the caution lights at their
will? They only show the track camera and a caution light camera, which
can be manipulated as they see fit.

When that last crash occurred, Keselowski was 3 points to the good, and
Chase would've been eliminated.


  219.   Sector posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:11 pm
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#216 I actually did not know that. I went over to that page and asked a
question about it too.

#218 I agree. Why wasn't NASCAR waving the white flag on their way to
the final lap segment? If that is the case, if we have caution lights
now, we should do away with the flags.


  220.   RandomFacts posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:13 pm
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Really wish you conspiracy buffs would just keep your nonsense to yourself.


  221.   Sector posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:19 pm
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If we're going with the 2011-2020 format...

Denny Hamlin wins for the 20th time this decade becoming the eighth
driver to accomplish that feat joining Kyle Busch, Kevin Harvick, Jimmie
Johnson, Brad Keselowski, Martin Truex, Jr, Joey Logano and Matt Kenseth.


  222.   George_Costanza posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:20 pm
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It's not a conspiracy. We're talking about a sporting event.

You honestly don't see any way possible for NASCAR to manipulate a
finish, whether it's not throwing a caution, or throwing a caution as
soon as they come to the start/finish line? It's completely impossible?

It's no secret ratings would tank the last few weeks if Chase doesn't
have a chance at the championship.


  223.   Mile501 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:21 pm
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Points scored during the three Round of 12 races (playoff points that
drivers started the round with are not included here):
137 Hamlin
111 Truex
99 Harvick
94 KyBusch
87 Byron
86 Larson
83 Bowyer
81 Logano
81 Blaney
80 Elliott
79 Bowman
77 Keselowski

I find Byron's and Keselowski's performances during this round
particularly interesting.


  224.   Sector posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:24 pm
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I didn't see how far ahead of 9th Logano finished in points, but did his
Stage 1 win save his chances big time?


  225.   Maverick19 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:31 pm
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Damn, the full season points got even closer


  226.   Maverick19 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:32 pm
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Also, anyone know the last time none of the top 10 finishers started in
the top 10?


  227.   Nucl3arWa4le posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:32 pm
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  228.   Maverick19 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:40 pm
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One more note. Statistically, this is Hamlin's best career race in more
than 7 years ( Loudon 2012). That was the last time he had a driver
rating greater than 140.


  229.   1995z71 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:41 pm
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Wow, I might actually watch the remaining races if they went by the
non-playoff standings. The "playoffs" have ruined NASCAR and its fan base.


  230.   rm posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:41 pm
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After a trying week and an up and down race, it's nice to see both JTG
cars come home with top-15 finishes.


  231.   Anonymous posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:44 pm
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It's gonna be Chase, Blaney, Logano, and Larson missing the round of 4


  232.   Sector posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:49 pm
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Yes, the Top 5 in points in "Non-Playoff standings" are very close.
Logano leads Harvick and Busch by 3-4 points. Hamlin is catching up 18
behind and Truex is lurking 30 points behind. This would have probably
been the greatest championship battle ever but no, we're talking about
something bogus such as Mr Popular Chase Elliott edging Brad Keselowski
for the spot because Hamlin was 10 feet from the start-finish line to
get the white flag, but the "caution light" came first before any flags
were thrown.


  233.   Mile501 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:53 pm
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It would really be ironic if the next few races play out in such a way
that we would have had more drivers (5) battling for the championship at
Homestead under a full-season points format than we do under the playoff
format.


  234.   Mile501 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:57 pm
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@224 - Getting back on the lead lap and at least making it back into the
top 10 before the end of stage 1 saved his chances for sure. Logano
ended up 9 points ahead of Keselowski.


  235.   Anonymous posted:
  10.20.2019 - 6:57 pm
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I think the final 4 will be Kyle Busch Truex Hamlin and Logano. That
would make Harvick, Elliot, Larson, and Blaney out. I have Kyle Busch
winning Martinsville and ISM and Hamlin winning Texas, Truex will make
it in on points, and Logano will just beat Harvick for the last spot.


  236.   David posted:
  10.20.2019 - 7:02 pm
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Barring a serious fluke, which Blaney (his one win of the season which
came just recently), Larson (ditto), and Chase (today's events) have
already had, it's 5 elite cars battling for 4 spots, with the 3 JGR cars
heavy favorites of course. Logano vs. Harvick at Phoenix for the final
transfer spot might be as close as Chase vs. Keselowski today, which
will provide the excitement for that race.

And we all know how Harvick runs at Phoenix, so...


  237.   Anthony posted:
  10.20.2019 - 7:09 pm
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No car's that started in the top 10 in this race finished inside the top
10. The best was Larson who finished 14th


  238.   Ralphie posted:
  10.20.2019 - 7:10 pm
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As long as NASCAR is "rigging" things, they'd surely want Elliott or
another one of the 3 underdogs to advance to Miami. A significant
portion of the fans aren't partial to the obvious favorites, and they'd
have somebody other than them to cheer for.

I'd settle for that, even though we'd have to hear how "undeserving" the
winner was for the next several months. Call it a hunch, but I don't
think we're going to have to worry about that.


  239.   dennyfan05 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 7:10 pm
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@226 2014 Coke zero 400
1. Aric Almirola start 15th
2. Brian Vickers 30th
3. Kurt Busch 40th
4. Casey Mears 22nd
5. Austin Dillon 23rd
6. Denny Hamlin 37th
7. Michael McDowell 27th
8. Danica Patrick 29th
9. Clint Bowyer 34th
10. Marcos Ambrose 18th


  240.   dennyfan05 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 7:11 pm
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2019 Coke Zero Sugar 400:
1. Justin Haley 34th
2. William Byron 12th
3. Jimmie Johnson 14th
4. Ty Dillon 23rd
5. Ryan Newman 18th
6. Corey LaJoie 30th
7. Aric Almirola 11th
8. Matt DiBenedetto 25th
9. Matt Tifft 31st
10. Kurt Busch 8th


  241.   Anonymous posted:
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222 - "You honestly don't see any way possible for NASCAR to manipulate
a finish, whether it's not throwing a caution, or throwing a caution as
soon as they come to the start/finish line? It's completely impossible?"

Did they give a Dale jr championship? Just one? No they didn't. They had
16 or 17 years to do it. But they didn't.
Blows any and all conspiracy theories out the window.


  242.   Will posted:
  10.20.2019 - 7:12 pm
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3rd lowest starting position of a race winner this year.


  243.   Sector posted:
  10.20.2019 - 7:14 pm
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Denny Hamlin ties Kyle Busch for best average finish of 2019 after this
race. Both drivers have 9.3.

Denny would be the third driver to earn 30 Playoff points as he has
exactly 30. He is behind his two teammates Truex (36) and Busch (31).

Harvick dropped from an average start of 7.5 prior to this race to 8.6
after starting last due to unable to qualify for this race failing
inspection multiple times.

Since entering a new era for Jimmie Johnson back in 2017 (the beginning
of his struggles by not running up front often), Jimmie Johnson now has
scored his 12th Top 10 finish. Breaking a tie from 2017 and 2018 when he
also had 11 Top 10 finishes.

Martin Truex, Jr becomes the fourth driver to score 20 Top 10's in 2019
joining Kyle Busch, Kevin Harvick and Denny Hamlin.

Toyota matches their most wins in a single season with this win also.
They won 16 races in both 2016 and 2017, as well as winning the
manufacturer's championships both seasons. Denny's win here at Kansas is
the manufacturer Toyota's 16th win of 2019, and with 4 races ago after
this race, has time to break their personal career record. Four drivers
have won for Toyota this season (Truex, Busch, Hamlin and Erik Jones) so
far. 2017 also had four drivers winning for Toyota while 2016 had five.

The difference 2019 has from 2016 and 2017? All 16 wins in 2019 came
with Joe Gibbs Racing. 2016 and 2017 had an additional team Furniture
Row Racing driven and winning with Martin Truex, Jr.


  244.   Mile501 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 7:36 pm
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@236 - Over the last few seasons, we have consistently seen 7 elite
teams, which include Chase Elliott. Of those 7, only Keselowski failed
to advance today. Larson along with Kurt Busch have generally been the
best teams outside of those top 7.

I posted further stats on this group of 7 drivers in a blog a few weeks ago:
https://www.racing-reference.info/showblog?id=3523


  245.   Anthony posted:
  10.20.2019 - 7:39 pm
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2014 Coke Zero 400 was the last time no driver that started in the top
10 finished in the top 10, before that 2007 Las Vegas 400.


  246.   Mile501 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 7:42 pm
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@236 - Harvick did absolutely dominate Phoenix for a few years. But that
hasn't been the case more recently. He's still strong there and
consistently gets top 10s, but in the last 6 Phoenix races, Harvick...

- has only led laps in 2 races
- hasn't led the most laps in any race
- has only finished better than 4th once (a win in spring 2018)

Kyle Busch has quietly become the new master of Phoenix. During that
same time frame, Kyle Busch...

- has led the most laps 4 times
- has 2 wins and 2 2nd-place finishes
- hasn't finished worse than 7th


  247.   Tarheel posted:
  10.20.2019 - 7:45 pm
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Without the playoffs, we'd still have a pretty good points battle:
Logano leading, Harvick minus 3, one more back to Busch , Hamlin and
Truex still in striking distance. The top five would be separated by
thirty points, as it stands the same five drivers are separated by 57
points.


  248.   George_Costanza posted:
  10.20.2019 - 7:51 pm
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@247 no doubt that points system would be infinitely more interesting
than the current points system.


  249.   Corey posted:
  10.20.2019 - 7:55 pm
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At this point I see it as being 4 from Truex, Elliott, Harvick, Hamlin,
Logano and Ky. Busch. All those guys have two wins on the season. Blaney
and Larson can certainly play the spoiler, but I believe it'll take wins
for them to move to Homestead.


  250.   George_Costanza posted:
  10.20.2019 - 8:00 pm
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I don't understand why people are giving the thumbs down to comments
about how close the season points would be if there was no Playoffs. Is
it because the five drivers that would be separated by 30 points doesn't
include ?Redneck Jesus? Chase Elliott? I'm not even a fan of Busch,
Logano, Harvick, Truex or Hamlin, but there's no doubt I'd be way more
interested in that battle versus the artificial garbage product we have
now.


  251.   Corey posted:
  10.20.2019 - 8:01 pm
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Of the remaining playoff drivers the order of most recent victory is as
follow.

Denny Hamlin
Ryan Blaney
Kyle Larson
Chase Elliott
Martin Truex Jr.
Kevin Harvick
Joey Logano
Kyle Busch

The first five come from the five most recent races. Harvick was seven
races ago at Indy. Logano and Busch, haven't won since early June in
races 14 and 15.


  252.   Mile501 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 8:15 pm
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@250 - There appear to be similar numbers of up and down votes for all
of those comments, which tells me there are strong opinions on both
sides of the playoff/non-playoff discussion.

But it is a fact that the non-playoff standings are currently closer
than the playoff standings, and I don't feel like any of those top 5
drivers would have raced much differently if we did have a different
format (they're already doing most of the winning and probably would
under any format), so it is something worth discussing.


  253.   Maverick19 posted:
  10.20.2019 - 8:29 pm
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I think it's more that some people are annoyed that the full season
points keeps getting mentioned when ?it has little impact on how
everyone is running now?

But I don't care, I'm going to keep talking about it.


  254.   David posted:
  10.20.2019 - 8:34 pm
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I'm the farthest thing from being a fan of any of the 5 drivers (4 of
them in particular) who would be the only real contenders if season-long
points were used.

Yet I'd still prefer having a season-long champion to this playoff
gimmick, even though that gimmick is the only thing keeping my favorite
driver (Blaney) alive, along with a couple of other palatable options
who otherwise would also be eliminated by now.


  255.   Tarheel posted:
  10.20.2019 - 8:44 pm
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I merely posted it as trivia. I didn't even state a preference of point
systems. Some years a season long points total battle would be closer,
other years not.


  256.   Allen posted:
  10.20.2019 - 8:52 pm
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3rd time since 1972 where the top 10 finishers did not start in the top
10. First time since the 2014 Coke Zero 400 and then time before that
was the 2007 UAW-Daimler Chrysler 400.


  257.   Sector posted:
  10.20.2019 - 9:03 pm
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#253 it's a stats page, and the stats are what they are. Honestly the
"racing differently" mentality needs to go when talked about, because
it's just crashing the party on the conversation that is deem interesting.

I have no doubt in my mind that the down voters is most likely a Chase
Elliott fan because we're talking about something that doesn't involve
Chase (aka Top 5 in Non-Playoff standings, while in the moment of
"conspiracy theorist talks"), which is understandable but the world
doesn't revolve around the Elliott family. There are other drivers
worthy of talking about just as much.

Imagine 2019 potentially being another case of 1992 in the Non-Playoff
standings come Homestead. That's something we will all be missing out on
unfortunately.


  258.   Anonymous posted:
  10.20.2019 - 9:24 pm
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I agree with Dale Jr. when he said that the guy who controls the
"caution button" to turn on the caution light is very fast.

By doing so it made things a lot more even. There are three Toyotas,
three Fords, and now two Chevrolets made it instead of four Fords.
Hendrick gets one of his cars in the the Round of 8 and the most popular
driver made it. That was big time baby.

It's kind of like the home team clock operator that holds the clock for
one second left so that one more play could happen when actually the
time should have ran out.


  259.   Ryan posted:
  10.20.2019 - 9:24 pm
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17 out of the top 18 finishers started outside the top 10. The lone
exception Larson who finished 14th.


  260.   Spen posted:
  10.20.2019 - 10:03 pm
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Allen: And I believe fourth time in history. It happened once in the
'60's too (I want to say it was a Firecracker 400, but I can't remember
offhand.)


  261.   Sector posted:
  10.20.2019 - 10:22 pm
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#246 Don't forget the reconfiguration of the track (moving the
start-finish line from the front stretch to the back stretch now)
changed things, and so far in two races since Kyle Busch has been
undefeated, leading the most laps and winning both times. Kevin won the
old reconfiguration prior to the change.


  262.   Sector posted:
  10.20.2019 - 11:25 pm
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According to his post-race interview Joey Logano had a hole in the
radiator and is fortunate the race wasn't any longer for it to be an
issue after being part of the last incident on the track.


  263.   Zach posted:
  10.20.2019 - 11:39 pm
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@261 What are you talking about? Literally all they did was move the
start/finish line. They didn't reconfigure the track itself at all. A
reconfiguration is what Texas and Kentucky did.


  264.   Sector posted:
  10.21.2019 - 2:32 am
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#263 What are you talking about? Moving the start/finish line is a form
of reconfiguration, a change made to the track.


  265.   Allen posted:
  10.21.2019 - 3:22 am
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Looking at the standings as they are now, the 12 and 42 are pretty much
must wins to advance but the 18 must pick ot up compared to his run so
far. A couple mediocre finishes will have him on the outside looking in.
But my predictions for the final 4 is 11, 18, 19 and the 4 with the 11
winning it all.


  266.   Chase9Fan posted:
  10.21.2019 - 7:43 am
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I can't say I love the playoff format, but it is what it is so may as
well be excited about it. My guy still has a shot that he wouldn't
otherwise.

That said, would still be a 5 car battle for the title in the old points
system. If that were the case I would be strongly pulling for Denny.


  267.   Chase9Fan posted:
  10.21.2019 - 7:44 am
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For the conspiracy theorist, how do you seriously manipulate a race?
Other than giving a team a stronger motor (which obviously Chase did not
have), how do you dictate the race?

The caution lights came on fast? OOOK.. If not for the 2nd to last
caution, Chase likely wins. Now what?

No one wanted to see this race end under caution. This is why NASCAR not
only implemented the playoffs, but racing "overtime".


  268.   Tarheel posted:
  10.21.2019 - 8:36 am
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267, Nascar obviously did all those things, and they caused Brad K to
run terribly and put himself in the position of losing points, and then
they ordered him to make some bad moves on the track on the last
restart. Not that I actually believe any of this, I just wanted to know
what it feels like to be mentally handicapped.


  269.   Mile501 posted:
  10.21.2019 - 9:02 am
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@268 - Don't forget that they ordered all those other cars around
Keselowski to race him 3-wide and make sure he lost enough spots in
those last 2 laps. Since he had a great restart the first time and moved
up to 13th, NASCAR obviously knew he would go straight backwards during
the last restart.

Does NASCAR do certain things in an attempt to increase excitement in a
general sense? Of course they do. But it is impossible in the real world
for them to manipulate things to the extent that some of you are suggesting.

And comment #241 makes a great point. If NASCAR is one big conspiracy,
where are Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s championships?


  270.   Corey posted:
  10.21.2019 - 9:53 am
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@269 It would explain where Richard Petty Motorsports is getting there
money. NASCAR gave them a few million dollars so they could break Bubba
wheel hub if they needed to. Worked like a charm.


  271.   JG24Ever posted:
  10.21.2019 - 11:05 am
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@270 It would also explain how NASCAR controlled the lightning strikes
at Daytona to make the race end under yellow and to have Justin Haley win.


  272.   Bayne&BowmanFan posted:
  10.21.2019 - 11:10 am
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Don't forget the money NASCAR paid Ryan Newman to stop Dibenedetto from
possibly winning at Bristol.


  273.   Stifler posted:
  10.21.2019 - 11:18 am
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@271 There is undeniable evidence that backs up that statement. My dad's
uncle's brother's cousin's nephew's former roommate works for NASCAR and
was in charge of the whole thing.


  274.   Corey posted:
  10.21.2019 - 11:28 am
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@273 Your dad's uncle's brother? So your dad's other uncle?


  275.   Stifler posted:
  10.21.2019 - 11:34 am
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@274 Correct


  276.   Tarheel posted:
  10.21.2019 - 11:54 am
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Remember that time Nascar ordered Michael Waltrip racing to blatantly
cheat and get caught at Richmond so Napa would dump them so they could
sponsor Chase Elliott and he could be Nascar's new golden boy? I
remember that, that was cool.


  277.   Yeet posted:
  10.21.2019 - 12:25 pm
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Some of these comments are blatantly irrational...

They CLEARLY showed that the caution came out before Denny crossed the
line. It was close but it was. So we can sit here and make blatantly
poor theories about this race, but the eveidence is literally under your
nose.


  278.   Mannoroth posted:
  10.21.2019 - 12:34 pm
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NASCAR is rigged? Really? In that case, why NASCAR let Kyle Busch to
have over 200 wins in all 3 series and why Dale Earnhardt, Jr. never won
a title and was winless for 4 straight seasons with HMS, which was
winning races and titles with JJ?


  279.   Mile501 posted:
  10.21.2019 - 12:35 pm
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@276 - I've gotta give you props for that one, going so far back and
tying it all together. That's pretty creative.


  280.   Timothy_Eklund posted:
  10.21.2019 - 12:35 pm
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Nascar clearly told Ryan Blaney to blow a tire so they could get a yellow.


  281.   Corey posted:
  10.21.2019 - 12:53 pm
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@277 They're blatantly irrational because we know NASCAR doesn't rig
these races. The caution for the first overtime was a crash caused by a
broken wheel hub. It's kind of hard to claim that NASCAR rigged the race
when that caution was legit.

My only question is, what is the typical reaction time between start of
crash and the caution lights coming on, is it any different when they
are not coming to the white flag?


  282.   Mile501 posted:
  10.21.2019 - 1:47 pm
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@278 - That may be the most sensible comment Mannoroth has ever posted.


  283.   NotSure posted:
  10.21.2019 - 1:47 pm
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"For the conspiracy theorist, how do you seriously manipulate a race?
Other than giving a team a stronger motor (which obviously Chase did not
have), how do you dictate the race?"

Cautions! When and when not to call them. In this case how quickly it's
called. Had Hamlin already been past the start/finish line we all know
NASCAR would wait and see the aftermath before calling it.

"This is why NASCAR not only implemented the playoffs, but racing
"overtime"."

Those (among other things) were implemented by and for those who hate
racing. Neither attracted the latter while millions of diehard NASCAR
fans were pushed away. None of them can admit their precious
"enhancements" have ruined the sport.

"Not that I actually believe any of this, I just wanted to know what it
feels like to be mentally handicapped."

Being mentally handicapped is believing an entity with a widely
acknowledged history of throwing fake debris cautions to "spice things
up" is on the level.


  284.   Bayne&BowmanFan posted:
  10.21.2019 - 1:54 pm
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In all seriousness, these last two weeks have been (for me) some of the
most fun races I've seen, in all three series too. Call me ignorant or
crazy, but I'm happy with the product we've been given at the moment and
hope the intensity will continue through the remainder of the season.


  285.   ShinyMew151 posted:
  10.21.2019 - 2:14 pm
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NASCAR clearly told the wheel on the 43 to come off


  286.   Anonymous posted:
  10.21.2019 - 2:50 pm
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Anyone who can watch a race from 2004/2005 and think that all of those
debris cautions were legitimate is lying to themselves.

Though I do think that since they broke races up into stages the dodgy
debris cautions have been greatly reduced.


  287.   Tarheel posted:
  10.21.2019 - 3:53 pm
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283, to spice things up, yes. That's what stage racing is all about,
along with many other cautions. To determine the outcome? No. Things
easily could have been different on that last restart, Chase could have
had a bad restart and lost positions while Brad could have gained
positions, and Chase would have been out of the playoffs. Thinking that
Nascar can predict the outcome of five wide racing is a mental handicap.


  288.   Tarheel posted:
  10.21.2019 - 3:58 pm
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280, 285, Stifler's dads uncle whatever told me Nascar has secret remote
detonators in all the cars so they can flatten or even blow off tires to
ensure that they can pick the winner. They even refer to the control
switch as "The Golden Button", in honor of their golden boy.


  289.   Yeet posted:
  10.21.2019 - 4:16 pm
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@281 I understood some of the comments up there were parody (had a good
chuckle) but it was directed towards those who (sadly) weren't kidding.

@281 also has a fabulous question as well


  290.   Yeet posted:
  10.21.2019 - 4:18 pm
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@284 I'll go even further to that and say this season itself has been
the most enjoyable in years. Lots of storylines, exciting actions,
unpredictable outcomes and winners, tempers flaring across all 3 series
are freaking awesome. I can't stand for everyone solely because we're
all different human beings, but I'm sure having fun.


  291.   Mile501 posted:
  10.21.2019 - 6:42 pm
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@286 - No one says that. We all know NASCAR does things to try to
increase excitement. What they don't do, however, is have a grand
conspiracy to benefit a certain driver. That's the issue here.


  292.   possum posted:
  10.21.2019 - 10:50 pm
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@281 - the "reaction time" is very variable, depending on whether it's
an obvious wreck, a spin into the grass, or a brush of the wall with no
obvious damage (that one they're pretty slow on, because someone has to
decide "do we need a caution now"?). Generally NASCAR is slower to put
out the yellow coming to the white flag except in the case of an obvious
wreck. And on the last lap there pretty much needs to be a car in the
catch fence before they'll throw the yellow (which, of course, blows the
whole "no racing back to the yellow" arguement all to hell, but that one
never made much sense anyway).


  293.   Ryan posted:
  10.22.2019 - 12:06 am
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@282

Of course Kyle Busch had to be mentioned though


  294.   Mannoroth posted:
  10.22.2019 - 1:09 am
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282. I'm writing normal comments all the time. You just don't see it
that way, that's the problem.

283. Yes, that reaction time is very variable. I remember that during
the 2014 DAV 200 at Phoenix, Kyle Busch was like 50 meters from taking
the white flag and they threw a caution for a car that hit the wall, but
wasn't endangering any other cars on the track. They robbed him big time
in that race.

293. Any other better example of a villain that is successful as hell?
And yes, Kyle Busch has to be mentioned, because he's literally in every
stat category, so using him somewhere as an example is pretty common.


  295.   Sector posted:
  10.22.2019 - 1:10 am
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#293 NASCAR is rigging Xfinity for Kyle Busch. They are dragging out the
limited schedule so that Kyle Busch can achieve 100 career Xfinity wins
before they decided enough is enough, no more Cup drivers in Xfinity.


  296.   Mannoroth posted:
  10.22.2019 - 12:05 pm
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295. Well, if they do it in Trucks as well, Kyle Busch will shut his KBM
down and the Truck Series will suffer big time without him and his team.
I wouldn't be surprised at all, if they later merged Xfinity with Trucks
to save some money...


  297.   ThatGuy posted:
  10.22.2019 - 12:31 pm
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@296 definitely will suffer. It didn't take the hit I thought when Brad
shut his truck team down, but it did force ThirSport to switch from
Toyota to Ford. If Kyle shut down KBM, I expect DGR-Crosley would become
one of the big 3 teams in trucks


  298.   ScottB posted:
  10.22.2019 - 12:55 pm
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The truck series existed before Kyle Busch and will exist after, if and
when he leaves.


  299.   ShinyMew151 posted:
  10.22.2019 - 1:19 pm
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@293: It at least makes some sense to bring him up though, Kyle is a
super unpopular driver, and him winning so much is also a very disliked
thing


  300.   Mannoroth posted:
  10.22.2019 - 2:48 pm
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297. BKR wasn't such a dominant team as KBM, so it didn't have a big
impact on the series. KBM pumps a lot of money into their Truck Series
program (that's why Brad Keselowski always lost to Kyle except that 2014
race at Bristol, by the way), so it would be stupid to get rid of this
elite team just because some people have a problem with Kyle's 5 starts
each season...

298. Sure, but before Kyle, it has its elite drivers and series
veterans. Nowadays, this series is just about rich kids that are trying
to make a name for themselves. And when Matt Crafton or Johnny Sauter
retires, there won't be any series veterans, just those rich kids and
Kyle Busch. And it's pretty crazy how the level of competition got worse
through the years - Kyle can make just 5 starts and easily be in the top
20. That would be literally impossible 10 years ago.

299. Exactly.


  301.   Fred posted:
  10.22.2019 - 3:22 pm
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I think in this case it's pretty clear that the caution came out before
Denny crossed the line, but I think there have been questionable calls
in the past that favor Chase or Junior.


  302.   ScottB posted:
  10.22.2019 - 5:15 pm
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300,

KBM's full time drivers are currently 11th and 12th in points. It's
always a negative when an established team leaves the sport, but the
series will not implode without Kyle's participation.


  303.   possum posted:
  10.22.2019 - 8:15 pm
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@301 - you mentioning "Junior" brings it to my mind that, as best I can
tell, NASCAR very very very rarely makes calls to favor one driver or
another. It's just not their way of doing things. However, they'll
definately make calls to punish drivers or owners they're displeased
with, as Junior (meaning, of course, Johnson) could tell you at length.


  304.   ThatGuy posted:
  10.22.2019 - 8:50 pm
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@302
To counterpoint, those guys would be 8th & 9th if it wasn't for the
playoffs. Harrison spent much of the year ahead of Austin Hill & Sheldon
Creed in the standings as well.
I think the engines have leveled the playing field more, but also
perhaps KBM has its worst full time drivers yet.
The series wouldn't implode, but can you really rely on DGR-C and
Hattori to give people like Eckes, Deegan, Gibbs or any other Toyota
prospect the opportunity KBM can? And considering Toyota has more
developmental drivers than the others combined, it wouldn't be good


  305.   Mannoroth posted:
  10.23.2019 - 7:34 am
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304. So if NASCAR keeps playing it smart, they won't completely ban Cup
drivers in lower series (at least not in Trucks) and young talented
drivers will still have a great chance to prove themselves in the best
team of the series.

And if Kyle Busch and Greg Biffle were running full-time for the Truck
title, others most probably wouldn't have any chance against them,
because those two are literally undefeated this season. KBM is still
strong as hell - we just don't see it, because Harrison Burton with Todd
Gilliland aren't anything special (yet). It also shows that K&N Pro
Series success doesn't mean anything in NASCAR's top 3 series.


  306.   StenhouseFan17 posted:
  10.24.2019 - 11:19 pm
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#27 sponsor - Winning Streaks Restaurant

Logo appeared on the hood for (I believe) the race only.


  307.   racefangurl posted:
  11.10.2019 - 7:25 pm
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15, Roush was trending downward starting 2013. They were still fast that
year, but showing signs of decline and after that ceased to be great.


  308.   Rich posted:
  12.14.2020 - 7:23 am
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Rick Allen, Jeff Burton, Steve Letarte and Dale Earnhardt Jr. were the
commentators. Marty Snider, Dave Burns and Kelli Stavast were the pit
road reporters.


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