|| *Comments on the 2019 Ford EcoBoost 400:* First Page | Previous Page | Next Page | Last Page | View All On One Page View the most recent comment | Post a comment <#post> 1. Tide1732 posted: 11.11.2019 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (11) Final full-time start for David Ragan (expecting runs part-time next year) Possibly last cup start for Jimmie Johnson (If opens his final decision) And final Cup race for Paul Menard, Matt DiBenedetto runs the #21 next year for Wood Brothers. 2. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.11.2019 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) @1 Jimmie's contract goes until 2020, he has said that he will at least keep racing until the contract ends unless something new has surfaced since October 3. JSPorts posted: 11.11.2019 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Yeah, this definitely won't be Jimmie's last race. 4. Sector posted: 11.11.2019 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What the hell... What page is this? 5. David posted: 11.11.2019 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) It's the not-yet-up Homestead race page. That idiot Tide thought he was clever and edited the URL when commenting so as to be first to comment on an as yet non-existent race. The moderator really shouldn't approve stuff like that, and it's not like the comment itself was so insightful (as usual). 6. Sector posted: 11.12.2019 - 1:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The URL wouldn't be the same though, usually it's the sponsorship in the URL rather than the race number on the schedule. I don't think they will convert to anything other than an empty page with an useless comment section. 7. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.12.2019 - 1:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I tried it on last week's race, typing in 2019-35 in the url redirected to last week's race, as expected, @6 8. Sector posted: 11.12.2019 - 2:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #7 If that is the case, then we can start sharing the news for the race. Some people just have no patience. 9. Mile501 posted: 11.12.2019 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @6-7 - Many pages on this website can be accessed through at least 2 different URLs. Driver pages are like that too. 10. RaceFanX posted: 11.12.2019 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) The NASCAR Cup Series season comes down to its final "Winner Take All" climax with Stewart-Haas star Kevin Harvick facing off against Joe Gibbs Racing' Kyle Busch, Martin Truex, Jr. and Denny Hamlin (hot off his win last week at Phoenix) in the battle for the championship. The highest finisher takes the crown with Harvick, Busch, and Truex seeking a second title while Hamlin looks to take his first and avenge his defeat in 2010 where he came in with the points lead but was bested by Jimmie Johnson. This will be the last year for Ford Championship Weekend at Homestead. The track has annually hosted NASCAR's season finale since 2002 but in 2020 the last race of the year will instead be held at Phoenix. Homestead's race will be in March next year. This will be Paul Menard's 471st and final NASCAR Cup race before the Brickyard 400 winner hangs up his helmet. Two-time Cup series race winner David Ragan will also be making 470th and final Cup start before retiring. Fan favorite underdog Drew Herring gets an unexpected call up to come and race with the big boys, making his NASCAR Cup Series debut. Gaunt Brothers Racing brought in the Toyota-backed hot shoe for a one-off in their #96 when Parker Kligerman was unavailable for this race due to a scheduling conflict. 11. LJTolitoYT posted: 11.12.2019 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No The Money Team Racing, I guess the 50 will not be team 12. Custer00Fan posted: 11.12.2019 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Where's the Money Team Racing #50? Wouldn't be shocked if everything fell through... 13. 34McDowellFan posted: 11.12.2019 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Cup Series debut for Drew Herring, if I had to guess the team was always scheduled to run this race but with it being the Championship race and all I doubt NBC allowed Parker to run. Final race for Daniel Hemric in the #8 Final race for Ricky Stenhouse Jr., he moves to JTG, ending a long relationship with Roush Paul Menard's final start (as a full-time driver at least) Chris Buescher's final race in the #37, he'll be in the #17 next year David Ragan's final start (as a full-time driver) Matt Diebendetto's final race in the #95, he moves to WBR next year Could also be the last start for McDowell in the 34, there's been a lot of rumors about FRM, from shrinking down to JHN coming in full-time to questions about Tifft being able to return. Overall, FRM's driver lineup for 2020 is a shot in the dark as of now. 14. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.12.2019 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Money Team Racing website is taken down, so I doubt it's actually happening 15. Mile501 posted: 11.12.2019 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Points Battles to Watch at Homestead: -- Championship -- Martin Truex Jr. Kevin Harvick Denny Hamlin Kyle Busch -- 5th in Points -- 5. Joey Logano 6. Kyle Larson -23 7. Ryan Blaney -41 8. Brad Keselowski -45 -- Top 10 in Points -- 9. William Byron +16 10. Clint Bowyer 11. Chase Elliott -1 12. Alex Bowman -25 13. Kurt Busch -33 14. Aric Almirola -35 -- Lowest Ranked Playoff Driver -- 15. Ryan Newman +32 16. Erik Jones -- Best of the Rest -- 17. Daniel Suarez 18. Jimmie Johnson -16 Paul Menard will finish 19th. -- Top 20 in Points -- 20. Chris Buescher 21. Matt DiBenedetto -26 22. Austin Dillon -38 23. Ricky Stenhouse Jr. -47 Ty Dillon will finish 24th. (There is a massive, nearly 150 point gap between 23rd and 25th.) -- Top 25 in Points / Rookie of the Year (Hemric vs. Preece) -- 25. Daniel Hemric 26. Ryan Preece -10 27. Michael McDowell -31 Bubba Wallace will finish 28th (after his 50 point penalty). -- Lowest-Ranked Full Time Driver -- 29. Corey LaJoie +17 30. David Ragan 16. Mile501 posted: 11.12.2019 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) -- How the Bottom 12 Charter Teams Rank in Owner Points -- 25. (505 points) Richard Childress Racing #8 26. (495 points) JTG Daugherty Racing #47 27. (484 points) Richard Petty Motorsports #43 28. (474 points) Front Row Motorsports #34 29. (395 points) GO FAS Racing #32 30. (390 points) Front Row Motorsports #36 31. (378 points) Front Row Motorsports #38 32. (309 points) Premium Motorsports #15 33. (276 points) StarCom Racing #00 34. (183 points) Petty Ware Racing #51 35. (181 points) Spire Motorsports #77 38. (152 points) Rick Ware Racing #52 The bottom 3 charter teams are already determined (#52, #77, #51), though there is still a close battle between the #51 and #77 to determine who will be first among the bottom three. -- Highest Ranked Non-Chartered Teams -- 36. (154 points) Premium Motorsports #27 (25 starts, 6.2 points per race) 37. (147 points) Gaunt Brothers Racing #96 (14 starts, 10.5 points per race) 39. (73 points) Rick Ware Racing #53 (14 starts, 5.2 points per race) 40. (71 points) Beard Motorsports #62 (4 starts, 17.8 points per race) If the #96 can finish at least 7 positions ahead of the #27, they will claim the spot of the highest-ranked non-chartered team. 17. Anonymous posted: 11.12.2019 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Honestly all 4 drivers have a great chance at winning Kevin Harvick: Harvick has always been great at homestead and a worst finish of 4th twice since joining SHR. He is usually the best at the first 2 stages Denny Hamlin: Just like Harvick, Denny Hamlin has always been great at homestead, he usually gets the pole and therefore has the first pit-stall. Hamlin also has momentum after a dominating run at ISM Kyle Busch: Just like 2015, the first 9 races where a disappointing playoffs for Kyle Busch, but at Homestead that year he won the title. Could this be the same case for this year? Martin Truex Jr: He won the title in 2017 and almost won in 2018. He is the best in the third stage and has the longest time to prepare for this race. If I had to pick a champion it would be Truex. 18. Maverick19 posted: 11.12.2019 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just so the webmaster is aware, the points standings aren't available for several races, it just shows ?null? at the bottom of the page. 19. Sector posted: 11.12.2019 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I have written this right after the Phoenix race waiting to post it today, due to being out for the day it seems I'll be posting this late. I'll post it anyway even though most has already been mentioned previously by others. -------------------------------- This will end the streak of 18 consecutive seasons where Homestead will be the season finale race. In 2020 it will be placed on an earlier schedule sometime in the spring and Phoenix/ISM Raceway will take over as the season finale next season. As we enter this season finale race... Fans have been trying to elect which of the Final Four drivers are the title favorite, when in reality there really isn't. All four of them are on par with one another. It will be a very tough race between the four, and even if you looked at the non-playoff standings they are literally in close proximity with one another, with Joey Logano included, and even then Joey's stage dominance this season has been keeping him up there with the other four, and Joey's finishes are far behind the Championship Four. Even then, with Joey Logano not being among the Final Four, he is eligible to receive stage points, thus giving him the advantage to score the most points of 2019 since the Championship Four are ineligible to receive points. This is why I personally think they should get rid of stage racing in general for the season finale race to keep it "classic," because it just makes no sense to have it, and with it being the final race and the "championship race weekend" it should be that much more special. The Championship Four consistent of Martin Truex, Jr, Kevin Harvick, Denny Hamlin and Kyle Busch. One of these drivers will leave Homestead as a champion. Since stage racing was introduced back in 2017, we've had fresh champions. Each seasons we've had three one time champions and a driver seeking for his first title. 2019 is no different, Hamlin is the one seeking for his first title. Truex (2017) & Logano (2018) were the ones seeking their first titles and prevailed before him. Can Denny make it three in a row or will we see our first multi-champion since Jimmie Johnson(2006-2010, 2013 & 2016)!? Three Joe Gibbs Racing teammates vs one Stewart Haas Racing driver. Gibbs has a 75% chance of winning the championship. Quite frankly, it could be a surprising result if the lone Harvick prevails and wins the championship. Joe Gibbs Racing is coming off their 18th win of the season last week at Phoenix (Denny Hamlin was victorious). They are looking to break that record this weekend as well, Hendrick Motorsports first achieved 18 wins back in 2007. That is exactly 50% of the 36 points race schedule. Kevin Harvick has been the best driver of the decade with only one title (2014) to show for it, but scoring the most points three times (2010, 2015 & 2016) are to his favor. It will be fitting for him to win this race, to pass his team owner Tony Stewart on the all time win list (he tied Tony two weeks ago with a win at Texas for 49 total wins) and achieve win #50, a milestone only so few greats have reached. This will be one to remember if Harvick becomes victorious. Martin Truex, Jr has had an eventful career. However, his first championship did not come with Joe Gibbs Racing, but with Furniture Row Racing (2017), an alliance with Joe Gibbs Racing. Now he races for Joe Gibbs, 2019 being his first race and he has the second most laps led and most wins of the season at 7. This is reminiscent of Matt Kenseth in 2013 in his first season with Joe Gibbs Racing, when Kenseth also won 7 races in his first season, one more than his biggest competitor Johnson (6) but lost the title to him. Meanwhile, Denny Hamlin has 6 wins as well, could he be the Jimmie Johnson in this scenerio and prevail by winning his first Cup championship? He is the only driver without a championship of the Championship Four, and has the second best average finish (9.5) to Kyle Busch of 2019. He also has the most Top 5 (19) of the season. He was in a must win situation last week considering how strong Kyle Busch and Joey Logano were at Phoenix, and he managed to do so to knock Joey out of the Championship Four. Will the momentum carry over into Homestead to become the 2019 championship? He's also mentioned his birthday this year is 11/18/2019, splitting the 2019 into 20 & 19, that's all four of the Joe Gibbs Racing car's numbers. That day is on a Monday, following the race's date on a Sunday. Is this the birthday and sign for Denny Hamlin to make his destiny? Kyle Busch has had a strong start to the season (tying the record for Morgan Shepherd for most Top 10 to start the season at 11). He has the most Top 10 (26) of 2019, but that wasn't without struggle. Throughout the entire Playoff Busch had struggled the most, and has been winless in the last 21 races, will that factor into Homestead this weekend? He has been beaten by his teammates during the Playoff races (Truex at Richmond & Hamlin at Phoenix) and has mentioned that he doesn't like being beaten by his teammates at all. Will he step it up and finally beat them on the grandest stage of them all to win his second championship? Winning the title would change the outlook of many fans, considering how poorly the 2015 season went with the waiver granted to him after missing nearly a third of the season, this will make the redemption that much sweeter. Stay tuned!!! 20. Corey posted: 11.12.2019 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I disagree with the removing of stages for the finale. While its not relevant to the championship 4, it is to the rest of the field. I do believe a certain portion of the prize fund is still tied up with final finishing position in the points, so those stage points could mean a few thousand dollars in either direction. 21. William24ByronFan posted: 11.12.2019 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NY Racing and Obaika Racing has not attempt to race in the 2019 season. 22. Sector posted: 11.12.2019 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #20 Fair enough. On another note: This is the first season Jimmie Johnson was not in the Playoff in his career. In fact, the best position is 17th outside of the Playoff, Jimmie Johnson is actually entering the race in 18th. As #15 stated, Jimmie could be in position to NOT be "the best of the rest" at the end of the race. Interesting to think about. Daniel Suarez has a 16 point advantage over Johnson. 23. ThatGuy posted: 11.12.2019 - 9:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) This format has not played to Jimmie's hand. From his rookie season 2002 through 2010 he had only finished top 5 in points: 5th twice, 2nd twice ('03, '04) and 5 championships. Through 2013 he had 6 championships and a worse points finish of 6th (once). Since 2014, he has only finished better than 10th...BETTER THAN 10th...1 time, his 2016 championship (thank you Martinsville, and Carl Edwards). He set a career worst last year of 14th and when Indianapolis ended this year we knew he would set a new career low, which could only be as GOOD as 17th. He has bested his 2018 stats in average start, top 5, top 10, pole, and laps led. However, this could be his 2nd (consecutive winless season), his top 5s are the 2nd worst of his career, top 10s are his 3rd worst ever, laps led is his 2nd worst (could be 3rd), average start is 4th worst, average finish is his worst ever, and lead lap finishes will be his lowest ever 24. Anthony posted: 11.12.2019 - 10:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) More like the field caught up to and got better. than him and Hendrick Jimmie isnt as good as he once was. Hendrick is not the top team anymore. Gibbs, Penske, and even Stewart Haas has overtaken Hendrick as the top teams. Even CGR this year has been better than Hendrick this year. 25. Sector posted: 11.12.2019 - 10:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wouldn't say Chip Ganassi Racing is better than Hendrick. Chase Elliott (wins) and William Byron (poles) says otherwise. Quite honesty it's all in the drivers and experiences. Jimmie has shown strength at Texas this year, he's just out of his prime. That's all it is to it. 26. Corey posted: 11.12.2019 - 11:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It doesn't matter what format is used if you don't get the results. Jimmie simply hasn't been getting the results for the past 3 seasons. Those 3 wins in 2017 were just a mask for how bad that season truly was. 27. Wil posted: 11.13.2019 - 12:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Impossible to pick a favorite. It's really Harvick 25% Hamlin 25% Truex 25% KB 25% 28. Mouse posted: 11.13.2019 - 7:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) Johnson's (and Knaus's) respective downward spirals started as soon as NASCAR started cracking down on cheating. Coincidence? Based on Kenseth, Gordon, Stewart, Martin, and other recent guys who were racing in top-flight equipment at the same age, it probably isn't coincidence, and age isn't an acceptable excuse either. This is comparable to Bobby and Terry Labonte's respective overnight collapses (over 2003 to 2004) from front-runners to also-rans: both of them had owners doing everything possible to get them to leave the team and/or retire for the sake of "young blood." 29. zuel660 posted: 11.13.2019 - 7:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I would actually like to see someone other than Harvick, Truex, Hamlin, or Kyle Busch win here, but with the recent history of this race, it seems as though it won't be anyone other than those 4 taking the checkers... 30. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.13.2019 - 8:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Interestingly, the playoff format wouldn't matter whether or not there were stages this year, the final 4 would've been the same in the 2016 system. Can't say the same for 2018 where Round of 12 eliminee Keselowski would've made the finale without stages. 31. Mile501 posted: 11.13.2019 - 8:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @29 - Those four drivers have combined to win 21 of 35 races so far this year (60%), including the last 6 races on tracks that are between 1.5 and 2.5 miles long (excluding road courses), so it wouldn't be unlikely for one of those four to win even without this championship format. 32. BAV posted: 11.13.2019 - 12:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) TRD Test Driver Drew Herring will make his cup debut 33. wisconsinracefan posted: 11.13.2019 - 1:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mouse, You are inaccurate on Terry Labonte. Terry in 2003 was not as much as front runner as you think. Terry was top 10 in points, but he only had 4 top 5's and 9 top 10's. What I'm getting at is Terry was very consistent that year, but had been past his prime since 1999. Terry as a driver started to decline after his 1996 championship year. If you watched Terry in 1999, you could tell he was declining despite his Texas win and his All-star race win. 34. William24ByronFan posted: 11.13.2019 - 2:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My favorite driver will run the #24 Axalta Patriotic paint scheme. 35. Mile501 posted: 11.13.2019 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No track is overly similar to Homestead, but here is how the championship four have finished at the 3 other 1.5-mile tracks in the playoffs: Las Vegas: 1. Martin Truex Jr. 2. Kevin Harvick 15. Denny Hamlin 19. Kyle Busch Kansas: 1. Denny Hamlin 3. Kyle Busch 6. Martin Truex Jr. 9. Kevin Harvick Texas: 1. Kevin Harvick 6. Martin Truex Jr. 7. Kyle Busch 28. Denny Hamlin 36. Zach posted: 11.13.2019 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So where's the Floyd Mayweather car everyone was making a big deal about a few weeks ago? Not surprising that it isn't on the entry list. The whole thing was a farce. 37. Anthony2 posted: 11.13.2019 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @36 my guess is that their intending to compete for 2020, not this race. It's not a Jeff Gordon or Scott Wimmer situation like Drew Herring is facing. Owner or driver making whosever debut. In this case the owner. But then again, who would even drive the car is the question. 38. LJTolitoYT posted: 11.14.2019 - 7:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Would be nice to see AAA on the 38 this weekend 39. Chase9Fan posted: 11.14.2019 - 7:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pulling for Denny in this one. Just like the guy that isn't a fixture in the top 4. Chase battling just for a top 10 points finish. Man what a lame last month. 40. Custer00Fan posted: 11.14.2019 - 8:38 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) @38 That's more then likely not going to happen, considering the scheme has been already revealed that it's David's Talladega winning car from 2013. 41. Fred posted: 11.14.2019 - 9:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think the reasons the last race has always been won by a Champ 4 driver have been: a. Just plain speed. Often they would win anyway. b. Their teams prepare for Homestead a long time in advance. c. Their teams focus all of their energy into Champ 4 cars and put less resources into teammates who aren't competing for a championship. d. Other drivers don't race them as hard. For those reasons, if we do have a non-Championship 4 driver win on Sunday, I think it will be Joey Logano. a. While he hasn't had as much winning speed as Hamlin, MTJ, Busch, or Harvick, Logano has been probably about fifth fastest for much of the year. b. Through the whole playoffs, it was clear that Logano had a decent shot of making the Final 4, so I would guess that they were preparing for Homestead. c. None of his teammates are in the Champ 4. d. It's not like he's a young driver that has popularity to risk. He's already very unpopular among fans and drivers. I think he'll race as hard as he can. e. He won last year. I still think it's more likely that a Champ 4 driver wins, but that's why I think Joey Logano is the most likely of the rest of the field to win. 42. Ralphie posted: 11.14.2019 - 9:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) That's a very logical post, Fred. But I disagree with your second 'd'. I doubt very much that Logano or anyone else will be allowed to race hard against any of the finalists. Can you imagine the tears if Logano picked Sunday to resume his feud with Diva Denny, and actually succeeded in getting some revenge? You think Logano's unpopular NOW??? It's not just the last race of the season where the unwritten rule (though it's probably a spoken rule in the drivers' meetings) is "hands off the contenders", it's the entire playoffs (reason #62784 why playoffs suck). Even if it isn't spoken, the also-rans already know that they do not want to be the one to ruin the race or potential championship for any higher class driver. Furthermore, "hands off" not only means don't touch them, it means get out of the way or else. Perhaps someday NASCAR will just make the final race consist of only the 4 chosen cars and the rest can stay in the garage. For example let's see if big bad Ryan Newman, known far and wide as being the most difficult driver to pass (for some cars, anyway) doesn't practically crash out in his haste to genuflect for Kyle Busch or Marty Truex when they're about to lap him at Homestead. 43. Yeet posted: 11.14.2019 - 9:42 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) I can't wait for Drew Herring to run amazing on Sunday and silence all the haters who think he shouldn't make his debut in a a championship race and is "just a test driver" 44. David posted: 11.14.2019 - 9:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not expecting miracles for Herring -- merely a top 20 would be outstanding -- but after all the dues he's paid over the years I hope he gets some reward for it. He'll have one advantage out there on Sunday, being a hungry driver looking to prove himself as opposed to a whole bunch of drivers in presumably superior cars who are just looking to get through the final race without incident and get the season over with. 45. Spen posted: 11.14.2019 - 10:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Considering that Matt had his best race of the year here last season, I doubt Newman will be lapped. 46. Fred posted: 11.14.2019 - 11:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @42 Sure, JGR and the NASCAR organization don't want an eliminated driver getting in the way of the championship competitors. But don't forget Joey is the guy who raced the leaders as hard as he could despite being 20+ laps down at Dover. I don't think he'd like anything better than to get in the way of Hamlin and stop him from winning the championship. 47. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.14.2019 - 11:50 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) @45 Matt Kenseth did finish in the top 10 at Homestead last season, but it was mostly because he stayed on track with Kyle Busch after running in the mid teens most of the race. Ryan has no chance at running that well at Homestead unless a similar miracle happens 48. William24ByronFan posted: 11.14.2019 - 12:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Rick Ware Racing announce that they will field three cars full-time in 2020. 49. JSPorts posted: 11.14.2019 - 12:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm glad that at least one car will have a full-time driver, but I still don't know if they'll be able to take much of a step forward with their resources spread so thin. I know there are a lot of factors at play, but it seems like Ware isn't taking the best steps towards being a competitive team. 50. Sector posted: 11.14.2019 - 12:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #45 I would say Matt had a better Indianapolis race (where he stood out more than Homestead at least), but yes the 2018 Indy and 2018 Homestead races were his two best all year. 51. ScottB posted: 11.14.2019 - 12:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can see why it makes sense for Ware to keep one ride open for a rotation of drivers who may come along with a short-term sponsorship. The other two full time rides could benefit from the stability of one driver for the full season. It's a natural step we've seen in the growth of quite a few teams when they reach a certain point. 52. Chase9Fan posted: 11.14.2019 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No idea how you guys knew the difference between this page and a "real" page? 53. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.14.2019 - 8:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Will be the last race for Suárez at Stewart-Haas 54. Wil posted: 11.15.2019 - 2:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) If during an altercation a driver took off another driver's helmet and smashed it on his bare head, do you think the offender would ever drive in Nascar again? Would he be arrested for assault? Asking this in the wake of tonight's NFL brawl fiasco. 55. Mile501 posted: 11.15.2019 - 6:35 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) For the 4th time since the chase/playoffs began in 2004, we enter the final race with fewer drivers eligible to win the championship than we would have without the chase/playoffs. 56. Onion posted: 11.15.2019 - 8:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Quite pathetic really. 57. RaceFanX posted: 11.15.2019 - 4:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race is taking place the same weekend the movie "Ford v. Ferrari," about the 1966 24 Hours of Le Mans, hits theaters. This title race looks like it's "Ford v. Toyota" so while the Ford wins in the movie can Harvick do the same on Sunday? 58. Maverick19 posted: 11.15.2019 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) With qualifying washed out, Truex will end with 7-8 wins and 0 poles. When's the last time someone won that many races without starting first? 59. ThatGuy posted: 11.15.2019 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How do they decide the top 4 if they're all tied? 60. Sector posted: 11.15.2019 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #59 I believe it's based on best finishes in the previous Round of 3. Hamlin had the best three finishes, that's how they're listed in the championship standings too. Kevin Harvick clinches the pole award with this rain out, and also ended up having the best average start for the 2019 season for the first time in his career. 61. Ultimate_Warrior_#18 posted: 11.15.2019 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @59 i think a tie is impossible but if so Truex gets the title he has the most wins. 62. Anthony posted: 11.15.2019 - 8:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Finishes in last Round. Hamlin, Harvick and Truex have wins so we use a tie breaker for them the next best finish. Hamlin has a 4th, Harvick 5th and Truex 6th. Busch didn't win and his best finish was 2nd. That's why the 11 is 1st the 4 is 2nd the 19 3rd and the 18 4th 63. Corey posted: 11.15.2019 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @61 He's talking about qualifying. It was rained out, so he's asking how NASCAR determined who starts where when all four teams are "tied" for owners points at 5,000. It's just like Anthony said, they go to the tie breaker rules which in this case, goes off the finishes from the last round. It's the same for the truck series. As far as the final standings go. Points are irrelevant for the championship 4. He who finishes the best, wins the Cup,. 64. ThatGuy posted: 11.15.2019 - 8:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks Anthony & Corey I assumed wins is what put Kyle 4th but I wasn't sure. I was also curious because Friesen is on pole tonight followed by Eckes then Chastain then Moffitt. And Crafton (not in the owner's championship I know) was all the way back in 9th 65. Sector posted: 11.15.2019 - 9:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #58 LeeRoy Yarbrough had 7 wins and 0 poles in 30 starts in 1969. If Martin Truex, Jr wins his 8th race here, it'll be a record. There are plenty of drivers who has won 5 or 6 times without poles though. What Martin has done is a rarity. 66. Ryan posted: 11.15.2019 - 10:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @58 @65 Yea, interesting for sure. Earnhardt didn't win a pole in two of his championship seasons of 1980 and 1991. He won five races in 1980 and four in 1991. Even more interesting is that in his unbelievable and dream season of 1987 he won 11 races winning just one pole. He also won five races in 1989 without winning a pole but finished 2nd in the final standings to Rusty. 67. Ryan posted: 11.15.2019 - 10:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can the Closer take down the JGR Empire? That will be a tall order, but if anyone can get it done it's him. If he can't win I'd like to see Hamlin win. However, I think it's going to come down to the 19 and 4. Like I predicted last year, I expect all of them to be in the top five running most of the race with the inclusion of the 22 and 42 in the mix. 68. Sector posted: 11.15.2019 - 10:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #66 Don't forget Jeff Gordon in 1997 won the championship winning 10 races with 1 pole too (which is extremely odd considering in his prime he won a ton of POLES from 1995-1999, except 1997). 69. Ryan posted: 11.15.2019 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @68 That is extremely odd considering Boy Wonder won 81 poles during his career. Earnhardt only won 22. I didn't even bother looking up Gordon's stats because of his success winning poles. It's why it's always good to look up. I knew Earnhardt never was a good qualifier, although he would surprrise you from time to time, most notably his last pole he won which was at Watkins Glen setting a then track record right after he had his terrible crash at Talladega in 1996. 70. Ryan posted: 11.16.2019 - 12:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) With how they have the system set up I would rather see NASCAR just start Hamlin, Harvick, Truex, and Busch and no one else. Have no stages, just a classic race. That way no lapped cars, or even other cars can dictate the championship. The four race each other and may the best man and team win. Much like last year, a late caution started by Brad Keselowski running 4 wide with 20 laps to go that didn't mean anything cost Harvick the championship. It helped Brad's teammate end up winning the championship. Even with all the cars, why in the world have stages in the championship 4 race? 71. Corey posted: 11.16.2019 - 12:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @70 Two things 1. 4 cars for 400 miles? People complain about the boring races now. This would be worse. 2. Why have stages? For everybody else still battling for points position. A certain percentage of the prize money is still dictated by a team's finish in the point standings. You can't just suddenly make Homestead worth 2/3's of every other race. 72. Sector posted: 11.16.2019 - 2:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #69 I'm sure you already knew this but in case you didn't; Dale Earnhardt did win the most poles in 1990 (4). So he has a pole award under his belt. Harvick has just achieved his second one in 2019! 73. Timothy_Eklund posted: 11.16.2019 - 2:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm curious how this package will affect the racing. 74. Timothy_Eklund posted: 11.16.2019 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This was the final practice we will be able to watch on nbc, as they have moved practice sessions to trackpass. 75. Anthony posted: 11.16.2019 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #74 wrong, They will still broadcast practices on TV. 76. Fred posted: 11.16.2019 - 3:28 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) The elimination system has tended to favor drivers coming off of a bad season. The average finish in the previous season of champions from 2014-18 is 10.2 (Harvick 3, Busch 10, Johnson 10, Truex 11, Logano 17). Shockingly, nobody has ever made the Round of 8, then gone on to win the championship the next year. If this trend continues tomorrow, it will favor Hamlin who finished 11th in points last year. Of course, it could just be coincidence. 77. Mile501 posted: 11.16.2019 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The lack of parity throughout the field shows through once again during practice at Homestead. If you look at the best 10 consecutive lap averages (available on Jayski), it looks remarkably similar to the current point standings. 78. Spen posted: 11.16.2019 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) In my dream last night, Hamlin won the title, and Drew Herring finished 5th. I doubt that's how it'll play out In real life, but that's how my subconscious wants it, apparently. 79. rm posted: 11.16.2019 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The best drivers are also the fastest drivers. Who knew? A novel concept indeed. 80. Timothy_Eklund posted: 11.16.2019 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @75 are you sure? I'm sure they said that practices and qualifying were gonna be on trackpass. 81. Canadianfan posted: 11.16.2019 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @80 Some practices and the occasional qualifying sessions. 82. Timothy_Eklund posted: 11.16.2019 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ok that's good. I was worried that they were gonna go all indycar. 83. Mile501 posted: 11.16.2019 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I mentioned this briefly in an earlier comment, but it is worth a further look. It is simply amazing how similar the final 10 lap average practice speeds are to the current point standings, which is a trend that we've been seeing more and more frequently in races over the last couple of years. Homestead Practice: Best 10 Consecutive Lap Average (with current point standing position in parentheses) 1. Denny Hamlin (1st) -- 2. Kyle Busch (4th) +2 3. Martin Truex Jr. (3rd) -- 4. Ryan Blaney (7th) +3 5. Kyle Larson (6th) +1 6. Brad Keselowski (8th) +2 7. Kevin Harvick (2nd) -5 8. Joey Logano (5th) -3 9. Clint Bowyer (10th) +1 10. Aric Almirola (14th) +4 11. William Byron (9th) -2 12. Chase Elliott (11th) -1 13. Daniel Suarez (17th) +4 14. Erik Jones (16th) +2 15. Jimmie Johnson (18th) +3 16. Kurt Busch (13th) -3 17. Alex Bowman (12th) -5 18. Chris Buescher (20th) +2 19. Matt DiBenedetto (21st) +2 20. Daniel Hemric (25th) +5 21. Ricky Stenhouse Jr. (23rd) +2 22. Paul Menard (19th) -3 23. Austin Dillon (22nd) -1 24. Ty Dillon (24th) -- 25. Bubba Wallace (28th) +3 26. Ryan Preece (26th) -- 27. Michael McDowell (27th) -- 28. John Hunter Nemechek (30th) +2 29. Corey LaJoie (29th) -- 30. David Ragan (31st) +1 31. Landon Cassill (33rd) +2 Notice that not a single driver was ranked more than 5 positions away from his current point position, and almost all of them were within 3 positions. 84. Ryan posted: 11.16.2019 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @71 "@70 Two things 1. 4 cars for 400 miles? People complain about the boring races now. This would be worse. 2. Why have stages? For everybody else still battling for points position. A certain percentage of the prize money is still dictated by a team's finish in the point standings. You can't just suddenly make Homestead worth 2/3's of every other race." I'm all for four cars for 400 miles so there isn't a choreographed champion. Besides, it would just be one race and for the title. Yeah yeah I get why they have the stages Corey, smh, I'm just saying it's pointless and no one remembers who finished 5th through 16th anyways. Make the Championship 4 what it is called. Four drivers racing for the title and not 40. Have no stages. Having a playoff means people get eliminated. Every other sport when people lose they're out and don't get to compete until the following year. I realize it being tough to do that for every round, but the last race should be that way. 85. William24ByronFan posted: 11.17.2019 - 12:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hoping to finish out the season strong, and bring the 24 to Victory Lane! 86. Canadianfan posted: 11.17.2019 - 12:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Steve Phelps ?State of the Sport? Highlights. Phelps doing a state of the sport press conference right now. Says they can work teams to make the package better at short tracks next year. April 2020 the rough time for 2021 calendar release. Next-Gen car on track for 2021. Possible new engine in 2021 as well without the electric system which would come in either 2022 or 2023. Some new sponsorship partners to be announced in Nashville. ?We are going to put the stock back in stock car.? Phelps on the GEN7. Regarding cost caps. They are going to monitor F1 closely and do a model of their system. Phelps says the top three priorities for finding venues for 2021 schedule: -- Competitive racing -- Full grandstands -- Whether it's a new market Teams will start taking delivery of GEN7's in July. Bidding ongoing for several components. GEN7 Test in a few weeks. 87. Canadianfan posted: 11.17.2019 - 12:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Executives from potential new manufacturer were at Phoenix. Several meetings were held. 88. William24ByronFan posted: 11.17.2019 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That #24 has a hot paint scheme at Homestead. 89. PucciMan posted: 11.17.2019 - 1:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I say a Toyota will win the drivers championship. Why? A Ford won the trucks. A Chevy won Xfinity. It's a trend everyone. 90. Ryan posted: 11.17.2019 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @87 Love to see an Accord racing in Cup 91. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Aren't there two different broadcasts for this race? 92. Canadianfan posted: 11.17.2019 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @91 Yes NBC for normal broadcast. NBCSN for Final 4 only. 93. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The Wood Brothers have posted a long series of messages on Twitter thanking the Menard family (and David Ragan as well) for all they've done and continue to do for the sport. https://twitter.com/woodbrothers21/status/1196142726569431040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3Ajayski&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jayski.com%2F 94. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #92 The stream I'm finding is exclusive to the Championship Four. Who is commentating which? I'm assuming Rick Allen, Dale Earnhardt Jr & Jeff Burton are doing the Championship Four broadcast. 95. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dale Earnhardt, Jr is interviewing basketball's NBA legend Michael Jordan which is at the track for this race. 96. Fred posted: 11.17.2019 - 2:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Truex wins today. With the speed he's had during the playoffs, two weeks to prepare, and his results in the past couple of years at Homestead, I think he's the favorite today. 97. Maverick19 posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My hope is either Harvick or Hamlin. But the points are so close this year that any of these 4 would be a worthy champion. 98. Wil posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It's literally impossible to pick a favorite, which fans should be happy about. Insanely even final 4. Feels like each has a 25% chance. 99. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Honestly it's a hard choice for me since there was little practice this weekend but in my opinion I'm fine with any of these four drivers winning the title today just because of how good they've all been this year 100. A.J. posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'll grudgingly root for Logano to win today so that none of the 4 anointed drivers can be declared as the "rightful" champion after Logano wins - and holds onto his full season points lead. 101. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Denny Hamlin is my personal first choice. He'd be a brand new, fresh champion. And it is his best season of his career to date. New champions are always good, and I'm hoping the trend continues since 2017 of those without a title prevailing! Kevin Harvick is my second choice, but only if he wins the race. This would make his second championship also his Cup career win #50 and surpassing team owner Tony Stewart (who also has 49 wins) in the process. He'll also beat the odds against Joe Gibbs Racing since he is the lone man among the Final Four who isn't driving for Gibbs and Toyota. 25% him vs 75% Gibbs, I like those odds. Martin Truex, Jr would be my third choice. He's driving for a different team than his 2017 championship (Furniture Row Racing then, Joe Gibbs Racing this year). That'll be a nice accomplishment. Kyle Busch would be my last choice, because he's simply Kyle Busch but would redeem himself after the most laughingstock of a championship effort from 2015. 102. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #100 Logano is eligible for stage points, so he has an advantage to hold the full season points lead (since he has a habit of fading late race). After a championship in 2018 (and losing that full season points lead in 2015 because of Matt Kenseth at Martinsville) I actually do want him to hold on to it. 103. David posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @102 I think the site now adds in stage points for the final 4 drivers in the final race so that the "traditional" standings shown at the bottom of the race results page is correct as far as not putting the final 4 at a disadvantage for season long points. At least I think those points are added in now. 104. Wil posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wonder if NBC would consider making Leigh Diffey the play by play guy over Rick Allen. Unfortunately NBC is smitten with Rick Allen because he's just so tall and handsome smh. 105. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) #103 I checked last year with Logano, he had 55 points instead of 40 at Homestead, and it looks it they do. Never mind about #101 then. I like things official so it's a lot of confusion. Looks like the stage points are only eligible for the "official Final Four standings" but counts for non-Playoff standings. 106. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My pick for the title, as previously stated, is Denny Hamlin. He is owed from 2010 and also would be a first time champion. If only he had kept the lead and not had to pit late in 2010 Phoenix he would've won the title most likely 107. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We're green at Homestead 108. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Harvick to the lead on lap 1 109. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Matty D experiencing radio interference on the start. Hamlin loses the lead to Harvick 110. joey2448 posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NBC asking Denny Hamlin on the pace laps about what it will take to win the title. Denny responds, "No mistakes," and Jeff Burton says, "Okay man, good luck and get it done today." Denny responds with, "Got that shit right." Lol oops! 111. Chase9Fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We know the final 4 will generally run 1-4 entire race. 112. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Daniel Suarez with a bad handling race car early, dropped back from 17th to 23rd in 10 laps, meanwhile Jimmie Johnson has made a move from 18th to 10th on the start 113. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Truex to the lead 114. joey2448 posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Lap 21 Truex goes by Harvick for the lead with a pass on the outside off turn 2. 115. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson passes Ky. Busch, breaks up the Final 4 monopoly on the top 4 spots 116. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Truex to the lead after a pass in turn 2 117. Wil posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @110 Denny has a fetish for cursing into live mics. Been a weekly thing with him for years. 118. Wil posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'd wager I'm one of the only people on the planet concerned with where the 4th JGR car is running. He's in reverse and was just passed by Dan the Man Hemric. Not a good sign. 119. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Martin Truex, Jr leads 58 laps today, he'll have led 8,000 laps led during this decade (2010-2019 format). Third highest behind Kyle Busch and Kevin Harvick. 120. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson is fast, up to second by Harvick and Hamlin 121. HarvicksToLose posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Based on past 1.5 mile races this will be Harvick's to lose. Know JGR has the numbers but I don't see anyone beating Harvick today. 122. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @118 In fact, the spotter on Matty D stated that Jones was "doing what it took to go home early" lol 123. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) #121 Martin Truex, Jr is sailing like a rocket as the race leader. Harvick has fallen to 4th. 124. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch says he thinks he ran over something 125. Iamthedebris posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Still getting scared about the fact that we won't have a race for 3 months after today. 126. Iamthedebris posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Truex closing in. 127. Iamthedebris posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Truex is cleary fast during the long runs, so he will have a field day if we stay green. 128. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Green flag pit stops starting now 129. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick just got passed by Ky. Busch and is in the back of the final 4. All 3 JGR cars are in front of him 130. joey2448 posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Field is pitting laps 36-37. Can't afford to stay out too long with the tire wear being what it is. 131. Wil posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson is fun to watch here. If there was ever a time for a non-final four guy to win Homestead it's today with him. 132. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stenhouse leads as he has not made his pit stop 133. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pit stops have cycled through, Truex leads Larson by 3.7 seconds and leads Kyle Busch for the championship by 6.8 seconds 134. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ragan and JHN still yet to pit. They will go multiple laps down unless a caution comes out soon. 135. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie Johnson is working on Joey Logano for 7th, trying to end his challenging season on a high note. If Kyle Larson ever makes it into the championship four, he'll surely be disappointed that the finale is no longer at Homestead after this year. 136. joey2448 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lap 56, Truex leads with Larson in second. The nearest championship driver behind Truex is Kyle Busch, who is almost 8 sec behind. 137. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #135 At the same time, because Homestead WON'T be the Final Four, he might have a shot at winning it without the "Final Four" being obsessed with positions 1-4. I look at him to win the March even here in 2020. 138. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) March event* 139. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) NASCAR's golden boy Chase Elliott is going a lap down on lap 66 in 17th position. 140. joey2448 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The top four title guys are running 1-3-4-5 with only Larson breaking up that party. The next-best guy after that is sixth-place Ryan Blaney. 141. Wil posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @137 He could've easily won in 2016 when he led 132 laps and finished 2nd. I think it's somewhat coincidental that a non-final four guy hasn't won it yet. 142. Chase9Fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Way to not even try this week 9 team. 143. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @134 - Front Row teams have used that strategy often this year, pitting later during stage 1 and then staying out and taking the wave-around at the stage break. Unfortunately, tires are wearing so much today that I don't think it's going to work out all that well for them this time. 144. Iamthedebris posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Truex is going to win the championship if the field stays clean like this. 145. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Truex wins stage 1 146. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @141 - I remember in 2017, when Larson led 145 laps and finished 3rd, he stated that if he'd been in the lead after final pit stops, he would have raced hard and tried to win the race. But since he found himself behind Truex and Kyle Busch battling for the championship as the race wound down, he backed off so he wouldn't influence who won the title, even though he had a faster car. 147. William24ByronFan posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The commercial after stage 1 gave me some Nascar 06 vibes. 148. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) MTJ wins Stage 1. Larson second with Ky. Busch third, Harvick fourth, Hamlin fifth, Blaney sixth, Bowyer seventh, Byron eighth, Johnson ninth, and Austin Dillon tenth. Interesting #95 quote: "I thought Reed (Sorenson) has been driving for much longer than this." (referring to them having a close call while racing in front of Denny Hamlin) 149. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Martin Truex, Jr has now officially led 8,000 laps in the 2010-2019 decade! Looks like Truex put it on cruise control in the final laps to prevent putting teammate Erik Jones a lap down, he was nearly 10 seconds ahead of next Championship Four contender Kyle Busch but went to under 9 seconds at the conclusion of Stage 1. This is Truex's 9th stage win of the 2019 season, third behind Joey Logano and Kyle Busch who each has 11. Harvick finishes 4th in stage 1, Logano 10th. Harvick gained 7 points on Logano for the season long points standings, so as of now he is a mere 1 point ahead of Logano in non-Playoff standings. 150. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #148 Logano was passed for 10th by Austin Dillon? Never mind then. Two points to Harvick. 151. William24ByronFan posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Excuse me, before they went to commercial break after the stage finish. 152. Wil posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Truex deciding against lapping his teammate Jones because there are lots of DeWalt executives at the race...lol 153. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Truex wins off pit road, Ky. Busch up to second by Larson 154. RaceFanX posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @152 Seriously? 155. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch to the lead 156. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) And Truex takes the lead right back 157. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch uses Larson to take the lead at the start of Stage 2, Truex moves inside and makes the move back to the lead. 158. RaceFanX posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It's Truex, Larson, Kyle Busch and Harvick in the top-4 with Larson looking to play spoiler. 159. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Austin Dillon has a surprisingly good record at Homestead (which is why I picked him for one of my contests today). In 5 races there, he has finished on the lead lap every time and his last 4 finishes have been 14th, 12th, 11th, and 11th. 160. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Newman with a potential loose wheel and is on pit road 161. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In the last 9 Homestead races, Hamlin has 1 win but no other finishes better than 7th. If he isn't able to win the championship this year, he might look forward to Phoenix hosting the championship race next year. 162. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @159 So many people probably overlooked Hemric, I think they're wishing they didn't because he's leading the Overachiever standings right now... 163. joey2448 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Almost lap 100. Good battle for third on track between Harvick and KyBusch. But it's all Truex out front. The #19 is looking very strong today. 164. Yeet posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Heck of a battle between the 4 and the 18 right now 165. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie is in the top 5? What a day. 166. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Green flag pit stops starting now 167. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pit stops have cycled through again, Kyle Busch is now the leader over Larson 168. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Big problem with Truex's team messing up the tires on their pit stop and now Truex pits again 169. joey2448 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lap 121. Kyle Busch takes the lead on the cycle of green-flag pit stops by stopping a few laps earlier. And now Truex is back to pit road because the #19 team put the tires on the wrong sides of the car!!! Oh no!!! The dominant car of the race! 170. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Busch to the lead, Larson to second, the 19 team accidentally switched the tires, there goes the big mistake for them. 171. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Truex is now one lap down in 13th but is the first car one lap down 172. Chase9Fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) lol 19 team! 173. Corey posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Someone on the 19 just got fired. 174. joey2448 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) So after the mistake, Truex is 13th, -1 lap. But the first car one lap down, so he's racing for the lucky dog spot. 175. Canadianfan posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Williams F1 knows your pain Truex. 176. RaceFanX posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The #19 pit crew accidentally swapped the left front and right front when they pitted, requiring a second stop to switch the tires into the proper position. 177. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Even after pitting earlier during stage 2 for a loose wheel, Newman went ahead and pitted along with everyone else during that cycle of green flag stops. I guess they were concerned about tire wear, but it seems to me he would have been in a better position had he stayed out longer. Now he's stuck 1 lap down. 178. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Jimmie Johnson (4th), Austin Dillon (6th), and Daniel Hemric (12th) are all having strong runs to end the season. 179. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for John Hunter Nemechek 180. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Truex will get the free pass 181. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution is out- JHN spun 182. William24ByronFan posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I still see the 19 making a comeback, we all saw what Custer did last night, so don't be surprised if the 19 team is back in this by 50 to go. Even way earlier. 183. RaceFanX posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nemechek pulls off a big drift but saves the #36 Ford from spinning out. 184. Canadianfan posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) From Ward Burton on twitter. I've lost races from having to pit from the team putting the wrong tires on the wrong side. 185. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Close call for Erik Jones and Daniel Suarez there. 186. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) @184 - Is anyone else surprised at hearing that Ward Burton is on Twitter? 187. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Did they call the #19 team the #78 team? Lol I wish Truex kept the #78 number as he moved to Gibbs. He was making that number his own. 188. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Busch leads the final 4 1-2-3 off pit road. 189. Larry posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The race is half over and we are on track to match or break the record for least lead changes in the history of racing at Homestead for Cup (the record is 12). Let's see if we can break the record (I'm being facetious, but I am not very impressed with the current package at any track as far as racing for the lead is concerned). 190. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick goes back to the lead 191. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch gets away on the restart but Harvick iss all over him, he'll take the lead. 192. Canadianfan posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tommy Joe Martins's take on twitter. I've had it happen to me 3 separate times. It's unfortunately a more common mistake than people realize. Car is undrivable. Feels like you've got four flat tires. 193. German500 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) LEAD CHANGES CAR START END TOTAL 11 0 0 1 4 1 20 20 19 21 38 18 17 39 39 1 19 40 86 47 18 87 87 1 19 88 120 33 18 121 143 23 19 140 140 1 4 144 147 4 -> this is 10 So I extrapolate that there will be more than 20 at the end of race. 194. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I think that Truex could be cheating (but that's just an opinion) 195. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch goes back to the lead 196. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch wins stage 2 197. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick got loose on the outside of a lapped car and Kyle Busch took advantage of it to take the lead! 198. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle back to the lead, Harvick fights back, fails to take the lead back. Busch will win Stage 2 199. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kyle Busch wins his 12th stage win of the 2019 season. That breaks the tie with Joey Logano and Kyle now has the most stage wins by winning the finale stage of 2019! 200. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Almirola will get the free pass, a number of drivers including Elliott, Keselowski, Suarez and Kurt Busch took the wave around under the last caution to get back on the lead lap 201. Larry posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @193: According to the NASCAR.COM leader there has been a total of seven thus far. 202. William24ByronFan posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @194 Your the type of fan who is probably a Chevy or Ford fan and probably hates Toyota and it's drivers, and your probably a Harvick or Chase fan. Yes, I know, I'm a Byron fan, and I'm kinda a hypocrite, but I don't even hate Truex. 203. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Almirola in 22nd gets the free pass 204. RandomFacts posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) All time stage winners through the 2019 season Martin Truex Jr 38 Kyle Busch 32 Kevin Harvick 31 Kyle Larson 18 Brad Keselowski 17 Joey Logano 17 Denny Hamlin 13 Ryan Blaney 12 Chase Elliott 12 Kurt Busch 6 Matt Kenseth 4 Clint Bowyer 3 Aric Amirola 3 Ricky Steinhouse Jr 2 Jimmie Johnson 2 Ty Dillon 2 Austin Dillon 2 William Byron 2 Daniel Suarez 1 Paul Menard 1 A.J. Allmendinger 1 205. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @202, I have nothing against Toyota, in fact my favorite driver (if it isn't obvious by my username) is Matty D a Toyota driver (as of now, but he's going to Ford) 206. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's look more and more like Joey will fall to third in season long points/non-playoff standings. Kyle and Kevin are scoring lots of stage points while Joey hasn't. It all depends on where they finish now. 207. Christian posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) This is a rigged sport. Don't bother trying to change my mind. 208. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) And I don't hate Truex. In fact, he's one of my favorite drivers, but I don't like dominators 209. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin to the lead 210. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Anyone know where Joey Logano finished in stage 2? 211. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch takes the lead back 212. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Busch to the lead but Hamlin able to take it easily but Busch fights back, Denny blocks, side by side now. Hamlin maintains momentum, he is able to not quite clear Busch, going into Turn 2 Busch finally clears Hamlin and takes the lead. 213. joey2448 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The intensity level has promptly picked up here with under 100 laps to go. 214. RaceFanX posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 97 laps to go and Kyle Busch leads. All of the contenders have been in the title spot at some spot tonight right now they are 1-2-3-4 with Busch, Hamlin, Truex, and Harvick. 215. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did Larson slow down for Harvick to get by for fourth? 216. Pacer posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @205 Ah yes, the good old Heel-Face Turn... 217. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did Larson slow down for Harvick to get by for fourth? 218. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Final 4 back to 1234 219. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Harvick is taking them down one by one. Passed Truex and Hamlin in intense passing. 220. Anonymous posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 207 - Rigged, Hah! How many championships did they rig for Dale jr? 221. William24ByronFan posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) @207 To you, and everyone who thinks NASCAR is rigged, if it was rigged, these things would of happened. Dale Jr would of won a cup championship Chase would of won in the 24 Jeff Gordon would of won his last championship in 2015 It wouldn't of taken Dale Earnhardt 20 years to win the Daytona 500 And Danica Patrick would have a win. 222. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @207 - As he said, there's no point in trying to change his mind. Someone like that has no interest in listening to sensible, logical arguments. 223. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "On the last stop, the left rear tire got put on the right rear and the right rear got put on the left rear. That hasn't happened in about a hundred years." - Quote from Bobby Labonte, 2006 224. joey2448 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lap 194, Bubba Wallace is on pit road with a flat tire. 225. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex up to third, Larson gaining on Harvick to break up the final 4 monopoly again 226. FoMoCo posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wind tunnel data, anyone? What a joke. 227. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Green flag pit stops starting now 228. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson coming back to pit road 229. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hood is up on Larson's car 230. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson saying he has no power in his car 231. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Raising the hood on the 42 car 232. RaceFanX posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson has a serious problem and the #42 is sitting on pit road with the hood up on the Credit One Chevrolet Camaro. It looks like the only car on the track that had something for the title contenders tonight has blown a motor. 233. Christian posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @221 You seem to forget that NASCAR never listens to the fans, despite what they say. 234. Fred posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hope Larson wins. He's so fast here every year but it sometimes seems like he's getting out of the way for the championship drivers, especially in 2017. 235. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Aric Almirola with a tire violation, he had a tire out on pit road which caused some people to avoid pit road one lap. Byron with an issue, dropping fluid on the apron in Turn 1 236. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Byron slow on the track 237. RaceFanX posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There's 50 laps to go and William Byron's #24 is limping back to the pits with no oil pressure. 238. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin is overheating now 239. RaceFanX posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hamlin's #11 is overheating! He's blowing water because they put too much tape on the grill! 240. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Denny Hamlin overheating 241. RaceFanX posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joe Gibbs Racing is turning into their own worst enemy tonight with Truex and Hamlin's pit issues. Harvick is winning with Busch in pursuit 12 seconds back. 242. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin on pit road to address the overheating this will probably end his championship hopes 243. RaceFanX posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There's 11 cars left on the lead lap as Hamlin pits. The crew pulls off the tape but the #11 is blowing more smoke than Thomas the Tank Engine as he rejoins the race. 244. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pit stops have cycled through, Kyle Busch leads Truex by 10.5 seconds 245. RaceFanX posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick pits with 44 to go, Rowdy takes the lead and Truex is second. Harvick is getting lapped by Busch. 246. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick goes a lap down as does Hamlin 247. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bubba Wallace with a pit road penalty, he was already 16 laps down 248. Jason24 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why did Hamlin's team put that much tape on the car? They just threw it away 249. Scott25 posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Chances of a caution before the finish are 99.99999999999% 250. RaceFanX posted: 11.17.2019 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick has unlapped himself. 251. RaceFanX posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin is a lap down in 19th, way back of the Lucky Dog. 252. William24ByronFan posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I dislike Denny, but I got to say, I am heartbroken for him. 253. Mbenoit posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Busch does win this thing, I'll be counting it as his first title. Nobody who misses 1/3 of a season should be eligible for a season-long title. 254. Dale88 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Everyone except Kyle has made a mistake tonight 255. Jason24 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Did anyone else notice fire underneath Larson's car during his last pit stop? I thought it was just the brakes but clearly it was more serious than that. 256. rm posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ah yes, just like there was a late caution flag in both the Truck and the Xfinity race to cause drama and excitement Oh wait, there wasn't. Get your conspiracy theories out of here 257. RaceFanX posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch leads Truex by 7.6 seconds with 35 laps to go. 258. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Despite the issues he had earlier, Ryan Newman is back into the top 10 after a timely wave around a few cautions ago. 259. Mbenoit posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man, Kyle has whooped the field tonight. I feel bad for Hamlin. 260. Dale88 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The other three are doing everything they can go give Kyle this Championship 261. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Chase Elliott on and off pit road, he's in 19th place 262. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Honestly, Hamlin's team probably felt like adding tape to the grille was their only shot to make the car fast enough to get the lead, so they tried it. You can't fault them for that. 263. joey2448 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch is on cruise control for this championship, leading by 7 seconds with 20 laps to go. 264. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did Harvick have a problem, or did he just lose that much ground since the stage began? 265. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin up to the free pass until Busch laps Hemric 266. joey2448 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex has cut Busch's lead down to 4.6 sec with 10 laps to go. 267. Corey posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @264. No, he just pitted way later then the others causing him to lose a lot of time. He was a lap down at one point and has actually gained on Busch this run. 268. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I want to state before the stats release, if things finish as they are now (Kyle winning & Harvick finishing 4th, as well as Busch finishing a spot ahead of Harvick in both stages), Harvick beats Busch by most points scored/non-Playoff standings by ONE point??? 269. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #268 with about 10 laps left 270. A.J. posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @263 Shots from Kyle's in car camera bring the word "effortless" to mind. Must be great to have a car that good every week. 271. Yahboi posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Joey Logano, defending "chase" champion, could be looking to score his first hypothetical title with the old format. He came into this race 5th in the playoff standings, however, which is the highest non-championship driver under the playoff system and is running 5th now. He came into this race with a 6 point lead in the Non-Playoff Standings. Does anyone know if he still would have the lead under that system at the moment? If not, and if he ends that way, it would be the first time since 2008 that the hypothetically-spoken points leader of the old format would not exit as such, when my boi Jimmie Johnson would have been defeated by Edwards. 272. Gary24fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Good lord, Rick Allen has his mouth so firmly planted on Kyle Busch's schmenzer I'm surprised he can talk at all. 273. Yahboi posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Joey Logano also could become the first Hypothetical Old Points Champion To close out the season that way in the final playoff race while not being a part of the championship 4 since Kevin Harvick in 2016. Ironically, Logano finished 2nd to Johnson that year with the playoffs and 2nd in the old format, and both failed to make it the next year. 274. Jacob posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Clear sailing for Kyle Busch in terms of lappers barring something extremely weird happening. 275. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #271/273 No, Harvick/Busch outscored him today. 276. joey2448 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kyle Busch secures his second NASCAR Cup series championship. Congratulations. The #18 team avoided mistakes to win it. 277. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kyle Busch wins and is the 2019 champion 278. Chase9Fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Once again a final 4 driver wins. This isn't the year the champion isn't the race winner. 279. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kyle Busch wins his second championship 280. Jacob posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch pitting 281. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) After nearly being lapped earlier, Erik Jones has shot up to 3rd during this final run. Meanwhile, Jimmie Johnson has dropped to 12th. 282. Stifler posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Kyle Busch 2 time champ, and you can't deny this one. 283. HammannFan74 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Busch is the champion. yay. 284. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I really want to see the points structure for non-Playoff standings now. I believe Harvick bested Busch by a SINGLE POINT while Logano dropped to third. 285. Jacob posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congratulations to Kyle Busch and JGR on the championship. Have to admit, part of me wished it could have been Denny Hamlin since he was the only one of the final four who hadn't won a championship as of yet. 286. Chase9Fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Blah.. onto Daytona. 287. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) Kyle Busch wins his second career Cup championship this season. This will end all doubters about his 2015 championship, where he won the championship due to a waiver after being injured and missing out of 11 races and still ended up championship. Say what you will, Kyle Busch has officially made his legacy tonight. 288. Edwards2020 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) This playoff format is bullshit 289. Iamthedebris posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This season went by very fast. Now we have to wait 3 more months from NASCAR. 290. Maverick19 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Harvick's my guy but I gotta give props to Kyle. His resume warrants a 2nd title, and he had a fantastic drive after meltdowns every other week this summer. Good for him. Also his 56th win, the bridge between Wallace and Earnhardt will begin to close now 291. Mbenoit posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Kyle scores JGR's 19th win of the season, setting a new single season record for most wins by a single organization. 292. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just hope this rules package goes away. 293. Chase9Fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 287. Who denies his first? The rules were the rules and he got to top 30 with a win. Granted a 2x Champion sounds better, but who denied him of his first? 294. Maverick19 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 275 - With no stage points for the final 4: Logano 1321 Busch 1312 -9 Harvick 1312 -9 295. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) #291 That's the modern-era record. Richard Petty and his team has the all time record by single organization with Petty Enterprises. 296. Chase9Fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 288. Agreed 297. Spen posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Sector: Actually Carl Kiekaefer holds the all-time record, thanks to his 32 wins in 1956. 298. joey2448 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joe Gibbs Racing finishes 2019 with 19 team wins, breaking the 2007 record of 18 by Hendrick Motorsports. 299. Jason24 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Gotta give it to Kyle Busch. He earned that one and becomes the first guy to win the title twice in this new playoff format. 300. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #293 Must we go through this again. He was given a waiver, an exempt, to the rule of attempting to start every races. Due to being out of injury, that is why his championship has many doubters. Coming back from an injury to achieve that is impressive, however being 30th in points is not something to be worthy of a title. That gap is extremely large and why should someone that far down deserve a shot at a title anyway? 301. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #297 Thanks for the correction, I just knew with Richard Petty himself winning 27 races one year I figured that would be the record. 302. Corey posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @293 Because he didn't race the full season, people said it wasn't legit, despite the rules. This removes all of that, and there should be no question in anyone's mind that he's a champion. 303. Larry posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) From my calculations, the top four under season-long points, including stage points, is as follows: 1. Kyle Busch: 1,330 2. Kevin Harvick: 1,328 (-2) 3. Joey Logano: 1,325 (-5) 4. Martin Truex Jr.: 1,308 (-22) 5. Denny Hamlin: 1,293 (-37) That would have been an incredible battle to watch. 304. Yahboi posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I attempted to post my comments before I saw 268 or any other comments that would me that answer! Forgive me! They also didn't get posted before said comments. Another interesting "finale" fact of the race is that this may or may not be the final race NASCAR runs under Monster Energy. I liked the name, but Cup Series sounds cool too! The first season that I started posting on this website comes to an end. I will cherish it forever! See you on other pages over the winter and next season my friends! 305. Corey posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keelan Harvick has only been in a race winners car. Brexton Busch gets to ride with the champion. 306. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kyle Busch now ties Tony Stewart for the most championships for team owner Joe Gibbs. Tony won the titles in 2002 & 2005. Kyle won in 2015 & 2019. 307. Mbenoit posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @297 Definitely. Forgot to add "modern era" to that post. Kiekaefer's record will never be broken. 308. Chase9Fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Stands look pretty empty, no one sticking around for ol Kyle haha 309. GiveMajeskiAChance posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (6) I'm done with this scripted bullshit. NASCAR is the WWE of motorsports. 310. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I was so focused on Kevin Harvick winning race #50 with the championship, I forgot about Kyle Busch winning race #56 with a championship, to break that tie from Rusty Wallace and be right behind Dale Earnhardt in all time wins, the group of guys that are the greatest of all greats in NASCAR history. That could be why he was winless for the past 20 races to this point; The championship. 311. Altracing posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I know I might be in the minority but I thought this was a pretty good season and I though there was some good action on track today besides the ending of course. But congrats to Kyle, love him or hate him you have to respect what he's accomplished in his career. 312. Chase9Fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 309, while i don't think it's scripted, those Toyotas man. No one could run with the 18 and 19 today. 313. Anonymous posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) My favorite driver didn't win the title, therefore it's fixed 314. Anthony posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bobby Labonte #18 2000 Tony Stewart #20 2002 Tony Stewart #20 2005 Kyle Busch #18 2015 Kyle Busch #18 2019 3 Titles for the #18 2 Titles for the #20 315. Anthony posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson and Blaney tied for 6th in points, Larson with the Tie Breaker 1 win 2 2nd place finishes, Blaney had 1 win and a next best finish of 3rd. 316. Anthony2 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) @309 You sir, need to see a doctor. 317. Wil posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) @309 You're done? YEEEESSSSSSS!!!! 318. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @303 - Indeed. Calculating points as the race went on, one driver needing to finish a certain number of spots ahead of another--those are all very intriguing things to watch, and we missed out on all of that. Instead, we got to watch a driver cruise to a 4+ second victory in order to win the championship. Congrats to Kyle--he is an extremely talented driver and deserves to have a second championship. But this whole system and the end result just leaves me feeling very unenthusiastic. 319. Chase9Fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 310, while obviously all these wins count, there is something said about 2-4 cars winning consistently these days, Bush, Harvick, and Truex are upping their win totals massively just over the last 3-4 years. Insane. 320. William24ByronFan posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) You don't have to like the driver, but be happy for Gibbs, after what happened during the off season. 321. Chase9Fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Next year will be here before we know it, but does anyone think it will be any different? Toyota and Harvick will dominate once again. I am not saying they are cheating, but damn.. can someone step up and be competitive with them? 322. ShinyMew151 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) See you at Daytona @309 323. Yahboi posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Forgive me if this comment gets posted after another one that has similar info, but I will say in the final season of the 2010s, final race under Homestead being the finale (as I previously made a mention of; :( ), Kyle Busch or "Cow" Busch as I called him when I was little, (Don't think I made a mention of that) wins the title to become the first to win the title for the second time under this format. With this, he stops a potential record we could have tied today. That being the fact that we could have had 6 different champions in as many seasons. This happened in 1999-2004, and had Denny Hamlin won today we would have seen it happen again. This was not to be however, as Cow took his first title since 2015, in ironically the same fashion, with that being the fact that both times he struggled early (in 2015's case he was injured), won a few races and dominated the regular season and made the playoffs where he again struggled but came out of nowhere at Homestead to win the title. Props to him! 324. rm posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 318: How is that any different than what actually happened on the track? You literally described what actually occurred: Kyle Busch finished ahead of the other drivers and took home the championship. What exactly did you miss out on? 325. Mbenoit posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I don't like Kyle, but he's unquestionably one of the most talented, determined stock car drivers alive today. Congrats to him and JGR. 326. Maverick19 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So I was right, without stage points for the final four Logano scored the most points while Harvick and Busch finish 9 back in a tie for second. So officially this is Logano's first time scoring the most points. However with stage points Busch scored the most points, Harvick 2 behind and Logano 9 behind. 327. Nucl3arWa4le posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor updates #00 - International Marine / Comet Delivery Services #17 - DeWalt / Fastenal #19 - Bass Pro Shops / Tracker ATV's & Boats #34 - Love's Travel Stops / Luber Finer #47 - Kroger / Totino's / No Yolks #66 - Generx Generators / FixMyGen.com #77 - Rousseau / Quartz 328. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) To follow up a bit on comment #15, point battles throughout the field... Joey Logano claimed the 5th spot by a large margin. Chase Elliott did make it back into the top 10, but 1 point over William Byron, but only because Byron's engine blew. Despite his 3rd place finish, Erik Jones had dug himself in such a deep hole that he still ended up last among the playoff drivers. Daniel Suarez beat Jimmie Johnson by 11 points to claim the title of "Best of the Rest". And with one of his best runs of the season, Daniel Hemric claimed 25th in points ahead of Ryan Preece, and presumably will be the Rookie of the Year. 329. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @324 - You missed the point. We didn't get to see intriguing point battles with drivers who came into this race either a few points to the good or a few points out of the lead. 330. Maverick19 posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) ?Next year will be here before we know it, but does anyone think it will be any different? Toyota and Harvick will dominate once again. I am not saying they are cheating, but damn.. can someone step up and be competitive with them?? I mean, you got the 4 best drivers in the sport with teams that work well together. I don't see them stopping unless Harvick falls off or the new Chevy turns out to be op. This really isn't much different from the late 90's, Gordon, Jarrett, Burton and Martin dominated everything while the rest of the field got the leftovers. 331. LarsonDixonLine posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Props to Kyle Busch. Not a fan of his by any means, in fact he's my least favorite driver on the circuit, but still hell of a run for him this race and this season. Wish it would've turned out differently but Busch definitely deserved it and at least this championship won't have an asterik next to it. 332. rm posted: 11.17.2019 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Instead you got to see an intriguing point battle between four drivers who entered the finale tied in points for the lead. I understood your point. It's just not a very good one. Believe me, I completely agree that I'd rather see a full-season long points championship than an elimination playoff like this. But you're conveniently leaving out that by /this playoff format/ the championship battle was closer than by the pretend, mock "what-if" points format that's been out of use for over a decade and a half. 333. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #303 Right on, I completely forgot the winner gets 40 points (5 point boost from second place beginning at 35, then one points per position onward). Kyle would have outscored Kevin right to the very end! 334. rm posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Chevrolet won 35 of the first 44 manufacturer's championships in the modern era of the Cup series. Now that they haven't won in a few years of course it's because there's a possibility that the best teams from the other manufacturers are cheating. 335. LarsonDixonLine posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I know I'm in the minority here but I like the playoff format. It definitely brought out the best, and even the worst out of the championship 4 drivers tonight and I feel it brings out the best in drivers in general with the emphasis on running up front (stages) and winning, and i think this format is a direct result as to why the non-playoff standings would be so close. Nights like tonight the winner take all format is nice because each of those 4 drivers would be a deserving champion. 336. Eric posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) @309 - You're the same buffoon that said a disfigured marine veteran singing the National Anthem was a disgrace to the USA. The NASCAR community would be better without you. Too bad you'll be back for Daytona. Piss off, fool... 337. LarsonDixonLine posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It'd just be nice if there was some form of seeding so the most successful drivers throughout the year would have an advantage in the final race. 338. Yahboi posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now the site showing Logano wins the Non-Playoff title! What in the world?! 339. Chase9Fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 330, so now Truex, since switching to Toyota, is considered one of the best in the sport when he did nothing before hand? While I can agree to that with a guy like Kyle, the surgence of a guy like Truex is when he landed in Toyota. Funny how that happens huh? Don't get me wrong, team sport and I am truly not knocking it. It kind of is what it is The Toyota model is the best right now, i just don't necessarily buy that these are the only drivers than can take these Toyotas to victory lane, they are just the ones lucky enough to be driving them. 340. Wil posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Denny Hamlin curses in a live mic both before and after the race. A new record for him! Sources say next year he's aiming to say "shit" into a live mic at least once per race. 341. Chase9Fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 340, they can swear as much as they want I say. You put a live mic to a guy right after a heart break like that, you get what you get. Not like he said anything over the top. 342. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #338 Give it time, the points aren't exactly distributed properly. Right now the Final Four drivers doesn't have the points added from stages for the Non-Playoff standings. It'll be updated soon. 343. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @336 And the same guy that thinks a guy finishing 11th in a Truck race at ISM with a team that had a driver in the Championship 4 and who was also involved in multiple crashes and basically became part of the "Sir-Crash-A-Lot" 60 crew in the Xfinity series is the next Petty, Gordon, Earnhardt 344. rm posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The championship 4 drivers do not earn stage points in the final race. 345. Chase9Fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 335, are you a recent fan or an older fan? Just asking because this playoff really seems to be a matter of age/time as a fan. Most of us who remember Waltrip, Earnhardt, Wallace, Rudd etc hate this manufactured excitement BS while the newer generation like it. It just is what it is. Don't worry, us older fellas (40) will die off eventually haha 346. Yahboi posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Forgive me, I didn't see 326. 347. Spen posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If you count their Xfinity wins as well, Gibbs had 32 total NASCAR wins this year, an organizational best, which also ties Kiekaefer's record, albeit in 69 races instead of 56. 348. Fred posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @338 The site isn't counting the stage points earned by any Champ 4 drivers. 349. Chase9Fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 343. which is kind of dumb. I mean, granted they don't really need them, but still stupid to just single it out like that. 350. Fred posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If there were no playoffs, Harvick might have just pitted when Kyle did, then finished the race 2nd (assuming Truex still stays out). If that all held true, it would have come down to a tie between Busch and Harvick, broken by Busch's 5 wins to Harvick's 4. 351. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #344 They do for non-Playoff standings 352. rm posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not dumb. In the real, final points standings the stage points don't matter. NASCAR's not going to award the stage points only so the people following the mock, what-if standings on Racing Reference can be happy. 353. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #352 Except the last two years the site has included the Final Four stage points for the non-Playoff standings. What did Mile501 say to me once before... "No need to be nitpicky." 354. Wil posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @341 I don't care at all when athletes curse into a mic. It's just weird that Denny says "shit" in every interview, regardless of the time and place. It reminds me of the kid in 4th grade who thinks he's cool because he swears a lot. 355. Wil posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The 50th season was a disaster for Richard Childress, but he's taking momentum into the offseason with Reddick's Xfinity championship and the solid showings from his 2 cars today. 356. Wil posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kind of a bummer that Hamlin had his issue. It would've been poetic (and triggered a lot of people) if JGR went 1-2-3-4 in the final race of the season. 357. William24ByronFan posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Reed Sorenson had brake issues again. 358. Mouse posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Comments like 320 only add credibility to the already growing list of reasons for people to make claims of race-fixing. 359. William24ByronFan posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The #52 also had brake issues. 360. RandomFacts posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Two first time winners in the 2019 season Alex Bowman Justin Haley 361. Anthony posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Only 1 caution for an on track incident in this race, John Hunter's half spin and save that didn't need to be a caution anyway but was. 362. RandomFacts posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) With his win nabbing the championship Kyle Busch also nabs his 200th career top 5 finish 363. William24ByronFan posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #360 Spire Motorsports was bad after their first win. 364. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @361 The amazing thing, JHN STILL came back and beat both of his teammates. Just shows how much talent and potential this guy has. 365. RandomFacts posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) #363 They were bad before their first win. That win was nothing but pure wacky lightening inducing luck. 366. Wil posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyone know what happened to Bubba Wallace today? 367. Jimmie4life posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well guys, a lot is changing next year... and I'm both excited and disappointed to not have racing for 3 months. Have a great winter break, and get to watch NHL, NFL, NBA, and others. Daytona 2020, here we come. 368. William24ByronFan posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) William Byron finished 39th because an engine issue. 369. Jason24 posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Its not worth it but idiots like GMAC(#309) ignore the fact that JGR has been a powerhouse for over two decades. The fact that they win the title shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Unless you're an idiot beyond all comprehension which GMAC has proven to be thousands of times. I hope you do decide to quit watching because its clearly not something you enjoy. 370. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @366 Tough day. Came to pit road on lap 194 with a blown tire, pitted, blew another tire, had to stay on pit road a while for repairs, then just to make things worse he got a pit road penalty 371. Jason24 posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @366 He made a pit stop for flat tire at some point. He never regained the lost track position. The commentators briefly mentioned it but he was running about 26th to 28th before that happened. 372. Wil posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @371 He finished 24 laps down though...whatever. That RPM team is a mess. Bubba's p3 at Indy will go down in history among biggest outlier performances in motorsports history. It was his only top 10 of the year. 373. Jason24 posted: 11.17.2019 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @372. Ouch didn't realize it was that bad. I saw in the pits the first time. Didn't catch the other times. 374. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 8:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @332 - I see your point, but I disagree. Think about it like this: If we came into this race with 3 drivers separated by ~10 points, every spot in every stage would matter. We might be watching to see if Harvick or Kyle Busch could pass Larson at the end of stage 1. It might have made a difference if Harvick could have passed Erik Jones at the end. Logano would have surely been fighting for every single stage point he could have gotten, and his dropping back early on would have been the big story. There would have been so many things to watch at once--the examples could go on and on. Instead, none of the stages mattered, and as the end of the race neared, we watched Kyle Busch with a huge lead over Truex, and no real intrigue or suspense at all. 375. rm posted: 11.17.2019 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think - don't quote me on this though - the 36's spin took them off of FRM's usual counterstrategy when it comes to pit cycles and allowed JHN to pit with everyone else while the 34 & 38 stayed on the off-cycle strategy. Not sure why they try to get off-cycle so much at the intermediates when it never works out for them. That being said, that shouldn't take anything away from JHN's race. He's certainly done better than Tifft did this year, though that's a pretty low bar admittedly. 376. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) In roughly 1/3 of his career races, Paul Menard finished between 13th and 19th. He finished within that range once more in his final race, bringing his car home in 17th place, 1 lap down. David Ragan finished 27th today, 4 laps down, in his final race as a full-time driver. Interestingly, both drivers' careers began at about the same time. Menard ended up with 471 total starts while Ragan had 470. 377. Yeet posted: 11.17.2019 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Daniel Hemric is the 2019 ROTY correct? Can't find an updated standings list 378. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @375 - It could work out for them if there's a well-timed caution during the early part of the second stage. However, cautions seem to be rare during that part of races on intermediate tracks. 379. RaceFanX posted: 11.17.2019 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @367 Eh, we all need a break...but there is one more F1 race and the Snowball Derby before the lights go out on 2020 completely as a consolation. See you all for Daytona. 380. possum posted: 11.17.2019 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @341 - it's not up to you, tho. FCC rules don't allow swearing on broadcast TV; NBC should be running their audio on a short delay so they can bleep it when an athlete is (understandably) upset about something. FOX does have a delay (they having had this problem years ago), but it doesn't surprise me that the more amateurish NBC crew don't. 381. Sector posted: 11.17.2019 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #379 Australian Supercars finale is next week. The Team Championship is still up in the air between DJR Team Penske vs Triple Eight. 382. Dylan21222Penske posted: 11.17.2019 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #310 - By breaking that tie for wins with Rusty, Kyle is now currently the winningest driver in Cup Series history without a Daytona 500 victory. Still, he's got plenty of chances left to change that someday. 383. William24ByronFan posted: 11.17.2019 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, hi fellow Byron fan using my name @363, man, I might have to get a new name soon. 384. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Last year, Matt Kenseth finished 6th in the #6 in his final Cup start. Today, Ryan Newman overcame a loose wheel to nearly duplicate that result, coming home in 7th. This was Newman's best finish on an intermediate track since he moved to Roush at the beginning of the season. Austin Dillon (8th) earned his best finish on a 1.5-mile track since his fuel mileage victory in the Coca-Cola 600, 2 1/2 years ago. Erik Jones (3rd) recorded his only top 5 finish in the playoffs and his first since his Darlington win. Finally, the beginning of John Hunter Nemechek's Cup career has been quite impressive, considering his equipment. In all 3 starts, he finished at least 3 positions and at least 1 lap ahead of both his teammates. 385. Mile501 posted: 11.17.2019 - 8:49 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Mark Martin tweeted, "I just want to say @DavidRagan is one fine man. The world could use more like him. All class." 386. BMan0213 posted: 11.17.2019 - 8:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Not that it really matters but the non playoff standings are kind of incorrect. Kyle (and the other final 4 drivers for that matter) do not have their stage points they presumably still would have received from this race if there was no playoff system. Kyle would have received an additional 18 points meaning he'd have beaten Logano by 9 points for the title. Harvick also would have finished ahead of Logano but would have ultimately fallen short of the title coming up just 2 points short. 387. Canadianfan posted: 11.17.2019 - 9:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @380 Usually 7 seconds possum. Also per Adam Stern, Honda was the manufacturer that NASCAR invited to Phoenix. 388. RyanM posted: 11.17.2019 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Another year, another new way for the playoff system to be exploited. Last year Logano got hot at the right time and Harvick and Busch's dueling all-time great seasons ended up being for nothing, this year Busch was nowhere to be found for months but does just enough to have a shot and then has his best race since the springtime. But hey, don't blame the players, blame the game. That being said, nobody is talking about how much worse it would've been this year if not for the playoffs. We'd have ended up with a Logano title in which he ranked no better than fifth in wins, top fives, top tens, laps led, or average finish, which would've been a complete farce. In my opinion the only way to fix things is to give the points system a massive overhaul and go back to having much larger intervals at the front of the field, larger than even the Latford system had. All in all though I thought this was a pretty fun season and I'm excited for 2020 with the revamped schedule and what figures to be one of the best rookie classes in quite some time. 389. Yeet posted: 11.17.2019 - 9:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) With Nemechek's solid runs in the 36 car this season, I think he just earned himself a Cup ride next year. 390. Jason24 posted: 11.17.2019 - 9:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @380 That may all be true but NBC is light years ahead of FOX. Besides who is that uptight about that particular 4 letter word? You can hear worse language from 11 year olds at school these days. The FCC is a joke. 391. nohbody posted: 11.17.2019 - 9:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Kyle Busch wins is second Winston Cup championship in a row. He now joins Terry Labonte, Tony Stewart, and Carl Edwards as two-time Winston Cup champions. 392. George_Costanza posted: 11.17.2019 - 9:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @388 In response to your comment about Logano winning the title would've been bad because he wasn't ranked top 5 in most statistical categories, that can be blamed on Stage Points. I'm not sure if anyone has done a non-playoff, no stage points scenario, but I'm curious to see how that would've ended up. 393. Chase9Fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 391, huh? Am i missing a joke here? 394. Jimmie4life posted: 11.17.2019 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Kyle Busch: Gets 56th career win, passing Rusty Wallace for 9th all time in cup series wins. Martin Truex, Jr.: Gets 0 poles this season after 12 in the last 3. Erik Jones: Had lowest average finish of any playoff driver in 2019 at 16.2. Kevin Harvick: Has finished in the top 10 in the points standing in the last 10 seasons. Joey Logano: 0 DNF's this year after 3 in 2018. Clint Bowyer: Has 1 pole in the last 13 NASCAR seasons. Ryan Newman: Led fewest laps of cup driver who made playoffs with only 19. Austin Dillon: Doubled his career poles this year, and had first season since 2013 with no top 5's. Alex Bowman: Led exactly as many laps in 2019 as he did in 2016, with 26 additional races. Denny Hamlin: Bested his career average finish in a season with 9.5, improving upon his 2017 record of 11.6. Ryan Blaney: Barely got to 10000 laps on the season, with 10001. Daniel Hemric: Had more top 5's than Austin Dillon on 4 less top 10's. Jimmie Johnson: Had no DNF's until the final race of the regular season, knocking him out of the playoffs. Daniel Suarez: Double's his career total for top 5's with 4 in 2019. Chase Elliott: Had 3 streaks where he failed to finish in the top 10 of 3 races or longer on the season. Chris Buescher: Led a career high 13 laps. Paul Menard: Never had a full-time season in NASCAR cup where he had an average finish of 15 or higher. Brad Keselowski: First time leading 1000 laps in a season since 2015. Ricky Stenhouse: Has less top 5's in this season as he had wins in 2017. Matt DiBenedetto: More top 5's and top 10's in this season than in his entire cup career before this. Kurt Busch: No poles in a season for the first time since 2014. Aric Almirola: Had first career pole since 2012 happen in 2019. John Hunter Nemechek: Had a higher finish than his father Joe's best finish in 2019. Ty Dillon: Triples his total top 10 count and had his first career top 5 in 2019. Ryan Preece: Led 1 lap in 2019, the same as his top 5 count. Michael McDowell: Only career season where he had 2 top 5's, both being his only top 10's as well. David Ragan: Led 3 laps, more than his top 10 total in 2018, as well as more laps led in 2018. Landon Cassill: 5th consecutive season with no top 5's or top 10's. Drew Herring: Last new cup driver in 2019. JJ Yeley: First time since 2008 JJ has a season average finish of above 30. Corey Lajoie: Had his only 2 top 5's this season, and yet has no laps led still. B.J. McLeod: Career high average finish of 31.8. Timmy Hill: Only had 1 finish in the top 30 in 2019. Bubba Wallace: Led 1 lap all season, which is as many top 5's and top 10's as he had in 2019. Ross Chastain: Had 1 top 10 in 2019, and undecupled(11x) his lap led count from 2018. Josh Bilicki: Career high season average finish of 33.7. Reed Sorenson: 9th consecutive year with no top 5's or top 10's. Joe Nemechek: Highest season average finish(32.4) since 2007. William Byron: Improves career averae finish from 22.1 to 14.9, and has 5 top 5's and 5 poles in 2019, something William failed to eclipse just 1 in 2018. Kyle Larson: Career low average finish of Larson when he made the playoffs, at 15.1. 395. Scott25 posted: 11.17.2019 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Busch 1330 Harvick -2 Logano -9 Truex -22 Hamlin -37 The points with stage points. So yes, Kyle Busch has won two ?Winston Cup? (aka non-playoffs, but still with current point system and stage points) titles in a row. 396. Corey posted: 11.17.2019 - 9:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is what the standings would have looked like without the stages or playoffs after Phoenix. They were posted by Shane Walters on racingnews.co last Monday. Definitely would have had a 2 man fight with the next 2 still mathematically eligible. Logano would have been a distant 5th. 1. Kyle Busch 992 2. Denny Hamlin 988 3. Martin Truex Jr 974 4. Kevin Harvick 959 5. Joey Logano 921 6. Brad Keselowski 870 7. Kurt Busch 851 8. Ryan Blaney 817 9. Kyle Larson 804 10. William Byron 798 11. Alex Bowman 792 12. Chase Elliott 785 13. Ryan Newman 782 14. Aric Almirola 764 15. Clint Bowyer 759 16. Erik Jones 730 17. Daniel Suarez 723 18. Paul Menard 716 19. Jimmie Johnson 687 20. Chris Buescher 670 21. Matt DiBenedetto 659 22. Ricky Stenhouse Jr 581 23. Ty Dillon 579 24. Austin Dillon 573 25. Ryan Preece 491 26. Daniel Hemric 480 27. Michael McDowell 459 28. Bubba Wallace 422 29. Corey LaJoie 395 30. David Ragan 378 31. Matt Tifft 352 32. Reed Sorenson 117 33. Quin Houff 74 34. Landon Cassill 62 35. JJ Yeley 38 36. Ross Chastain 33 37. Parker Kligerman 29 38. BJ McLeod 23 39. Cody Ware 18 40. Austin Theriault 17 397. PucciMan posted: 11.17.2019 - 9:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) The race wasn't that good. It was like the track race. The aero package wasn't that affective. Probably it doesn't go well with Homestead because Homestead isn't a great track. I'm hoping NASCAR will drop the track after 2020. 398. Iamthedebris posted: 11.17.2019 - 9:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @397 I'm gonna say that NASCAR won't and shouldn't drop Homestead after 2020, as this track is personally a solid track to race on, and the idea of the race going into nighttime gradually is a rarity among NASCAR. 399. PucciMan posted: 11.17.2019 - 9:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @397 effective. 400. Canadianfan posted: 11.17.2019 - 10:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) From Pockrass. Kyle Busch car has passed tech. He is the champ. 401. Chase9Fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 10:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) 397, racing isn't that good almost anywhere. Just the nature of how these cars are now. So big and stocky. To easy to handle for these guys and aero dependent. It has it's moments, but most leaders can still pull away with little or no effort. 402. JG24Ever posted: 11.17.2019 - 10:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @401 It doesn't help that the Gen6 has so much aero built into it that even when they go with a low downforce package, it's still aero sensitive. It's why you see such good racing in the Xfinity Series with low downforce because even though it has asymmetrical sides, it's got the old COT styling cues with flat sides and minimal body sculpting which allows drivers to get close to each other and also the composite bodies allows them to really beat and bang too. 403. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 10:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If I owned NASCAR I would ask to bring back the cot rules and car 404. Iamthedebris posted: 11.17.2019 - 10:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @403 That ugly thing? No, the cot should not be brought back. 405. JG24Ever posted: 11.17.2019 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For anyone who's counting, this is the second time in the elimination format era that the points leader in the non-Playoff standings won the actual championship (second time in the Playoff point elimination format too; other being MTJ in 2017). With the Playoffs in general, since 2004, it's the seventh time this has happened (2013, 2012, 2009, 2006, 2005 being the other five). 406. Canadianfan posted: 11.17.2019 - 10:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #4, #11, #19 to R&D Center. #95 had one lug nut not safe and secure. 407. Yeet posted: 11.17.2019 - 10:28 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) By a single point, the #27 Premium Motorsports car beats the #96 Gaunt Bros Racing car for the highest Open car in points. They both however beat the #52 chartered car by 16 and 15 points, respectively. 408. Anonymous posted: 11.17.2019 - 10:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As much I didn't like Kyle Busch for so long you cannot deny he earned it and fitting he is the 1st two time cup champion in the playoff elimination era by t by the way this race had fewest lead lap finishers at homestead since 2000 and fewest for a finale since we 00 also. 409. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.17.2019 - 10:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I think many were very optimistic that this package would cause better racing by making every race into a plate race, but by the end of the season, all of that optimism is completely gone. This package is absolute junk, rather than creating plate racing everywhere, it has created "you-can't-pass-the-leader-Harvick-or-Busch-or-whoever-leads-all-267-laps-and-wins-at- (insert track here)" at least it hasn't been THAT extreme but still. 410. PucciMan posted: 11.17.2019 - 10:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @397 Truck race. I really need to spell check anywhere I post something. 411. Chase9Fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 11:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So, first year with new package, what do you guys honestly think? I personally don't like the spacer. Guys should be able to gas it! Racing was a bit better, but I wouldn't say it was great. Still too areo. 412. Evan posted: 11.17.2019 - 11:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Boring race, it looked like everyone just was trying to get it done and over with. I am so glad this season is over and it was hard to not have a Chevrolet in the fight. Kyle Busch won his second championship and it was gonna happen sooner or later. But there were a lot of bad pit stop errors that doomed the other competitors for this crown. The tires being on the wrong sides for Truex was inexcusable and then Truex got the free pass and got the lap back. Denny Hamlin lost the title when they forgot to take the tape off and it caused his engine to overheat and become "Old Faithful". This rules package is good at certain race tracks, but absolute junk at others. The Chevrolet Camaro needs to be improved or done away with entirely, there is no excuse for this poor effort. They really need to step it up this off-season. 413. Chase9Fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 402 yup. The cars need to be just completely changed. 414. Chase9Fan posted: 11.17.2019 - 11:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 412. It's the Toyota show mixed in with Harvick (who was still good this year but not like the previous years). The rules are the same for everyone, but what in the hell have the Toyota's found that make them so hard to beat? And before anyone says they have the best drivers, i agree when it comes to the 18, but not the others. 415. Wil posted: 11.18.2019 - 12:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @414 You don't think Hamlin and Truex are among the best drivers? Only guys you could even argue are better are Logano, Kes and Harvick (it's close; I think the JGR big three and Penske big 2 plus Harv all make up the top 6). 416. racefangurl posted: 11.18.2019 - 1:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 403, you need to start a bread truck racing series. The COT supposedly drove like an old bread truck. 417. Mile501 posted: 11.18.2019 - 5:55 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) 19 different drivers led at least 100 laps this year, up significantly from 12-13 drivers in each of the last 4 seasons. Hopefully this is a sign that the competition is steadily getting better, even if it seems like we still see the same guys winning most of the races. The last time that many drivers led 100+ laps was in 2010. 418. Timothy_Eklund posted: 11.18.2019 - 7:40 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I didn't like the new package 419. Corey posted: 11.18.2019 - 7:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @412 Hamlin's crew didn't forget to take the tape off. The purposefully put it on there on the previous stop to get more downforce. The temps just weren't cool enough for it. 420. Anon posted: 11.18.2019 - 7:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Using my points format, here is the final top 5: Kyle Busch: 2054 Denny Hamlin: 2037 Martin Truex Jr: 2035 Kevin Harvick: 1994 Joey Logano: 1859 Note that Kyle was in 3rd heading into this week. Had any of the top 4 won this week they in the end would have been the champion. Also, had Hamlin finished 2nd instead of 10th he would have out-pointed Kyle by 1 point. Congrats to Kyle on the championship! 421. Mannoroth posted: 11.18.2019 - 7:41 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) This was the most deserving Final Four since the start of the playoff era - no one had less than 4 wins, 14 top 5s, 23 top 10s and less than 900 laps led. And in the end, it was Kyle Busch, who won his 2nd Cup title. Almost everyone was underestimating him just because he wasn't winning since the 14th race of the season and because he was pretty inconsistent. Well, he won when it mattered the most. So I hope those hating fools are finally satisfied that he won the title, while starting all 36 races... Plus, he also theoretically scored the most points via old school point system. 422. Dude posted: 11.18.2019 - 8:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Moderator: Just a friendly reminder to add Homestead stage points for the final 4 in the traditional standings. 423. Mile501 posted: 11.18.2019 - 9:07 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) @422 - I'm pretty sure it's already been done, based on how the standings look. 424. David posted: 11.18.2019 - 9:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I concur that it seems to have been done, because without those 4 getting their stage points Joey Logano would still be shown as the leader in the non-playoff standings. As far as I can tell it's been done also for the final 4 drivers in the Xfinity & Truck series. 425. Timothy_Eklund posted: 11.18.2019 - 11:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) To add on to @379, formula e starts next week. 426. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.18.2019 - 11:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Using my personal points system proposal, which is 1st 40 pts 2nd 39 pts all the way down to 40th 1 point, with no bonus for wins, Busch would have won the title by 19 points over Hamlin. Adding in 2016 win bonuses, that gap dwindles to 16, and with laps led bonuses Kyle grows the lead out to 25 points. 427. ScottB posted: 11.18.2019 - 12:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #417- That is an encouraging stat. I am concerned about the frequency of JGR wins. Their next closest competition as an organization, SHR and Penske, seemed to be off the pace just a bit compared to 2018. Maybe you could sum up 2019 by saying the mid-tier teams were more competitive, but the gap between JGR and the rest of the field widened at the top. 428. Mile501 posted: 11.18.2019 - 12:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @427 - Agreed. I actually just posted a blog discussing that line of thought in more detail. 429. Jason24 posted: 11.18.2019 - 1:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @403 may be on to something as strange as it sounds. The COT wasn't overly aero dependent like the Gen 6 and was big and clunky enoungh to slip and slide around on old tires. The battle for the win between Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson in 2011 in Atlanta is a good example. I also thought the COT was a far better machine for plate racing. When the Gen 6 was designed far too much emphasis was placed on appearance. 430. Mile501 posted: 11.18.2019 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There is a detailed post on Reddit concerning the battle between the #27 and #96 for the highest non-chartered team, which supposedly receives a monetary bonus at the end of the season. The #27 ended up 1 point ahead of the #96, but there were some possible shady dealings going on late in the race where the #15, #77, and #52 were all called behind the wall in the closing laps to allow the #27 to advance 3 positions. Supposedly there is radio evidence that these things did happen, including someone on Reed Sorenson's radio calling him to come behind the wall 4 separate times before he actually pulled off the track because there was no apparent problem with his car. Read more here: https://www.reddit.com/r/NASCAR/comments/dxxwh5/oc_investigation_did_the_1577_and_52_park_to_help/ 431. Yeet posted: 11.18.2019 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ what do you suppose will be NASCAR's response? This could be huge trouble for the teams involved (not that I believe it's as monumental as spingate, it's sure worth noting what happened there) 432. Chase9Fan posted: 11.18.2019 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 415. I do, but I don't think Truex is overly elite like the Toyota team has made him. Just based on past stats, granted he wasn't driving great equipment, but... I think if you put guys like Chase, Larson, Kurt Busch, Joey and Kez in those Toyotas, you could get same production. I don't think the talent difference is THAT great to a few other guys behind them. Though Joey and Kez are doing just fine at Penske. 433. Chase9Fan posted: 11.18.2019 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 426. I think wins should mean more so I am not in agreement with just the 1 point difference. JMO. I really do hate the stage racing though. I hate it passionately. 434. Mile501 posted: 11.18.2019 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @432 - I think Truex has always been an elite talent, and I think his 2004 and 2005 Busch seasons prove that point. He just never had strong equipment and a stable team until the last few years. 435. possum posted: 11.18.2019 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) @397 - dropping Homestead isn't an option for NASCAR. Homestead is owned by ISC, and NASCAR takes orders from ISC when it comes to tracks. 436. Jason24 posted: 11.18.2019 - 9:26 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Not sure what genius thought dropping Homestead is a good idea anyway. Why do the 1.5 milers get such a bad rep? I haven't seen anything even a little exciting at Bristol, Phoenix, Dover or Richmond in years yet no one here ever mentions the idea of dropping those tracks. Its laughable that people here still doubt Truex and his ability. What more does the guy need to do? Remember he won at Pocono and made it to the Final 4 in 2015 while FRR was still an RCR satelite team. That was obviously before Toyota. Had things gone right for him he should have won 4 or 5 times between 2011 and 2012 with MWR. He would lead early race laps at DEI even when they were a dying team. But then again everyone who drives a JGR Toyota is given a huge talent boost(Daniel Suarez and David Ragan have entered the chat). 437. RyanM posted: 11.18.2019 - 10:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) ^The flip-flop from "Truex deserves better, imagine if he didn't have such terrible luck" to "he's actually not that good it's just Toyota and Pearn" by a sizable portion of fans in the last few years will never cease to make me laugh. Truex's rise to superstardom will always be one of the great feel-good stories in NASCAR history for me. 438. Chase9Fan posted: 11.19.2019 - 12:35 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I never said Truex wasn't a great talent, i just never found him elite like the Kyle Bush's of the sport. I think he is on par with Harvicks, Logano, Kes, etc. Kyle unfortunately, is in a league of his own talent wise. 439. Chase9Fan posted: 11.19.2019 - 12:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I went back through my DVR and watched some of the race i missed. Man, only Larson really seemed to have the car, and the guts, to get up there and race with these guys. Seemed everyone else was laying back. 440. Mannoroth posted: 11.19.2019 - 10:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 438. Kyle Busch was always in the league of his own. Plus, it's pretty funny he's currently right behind Dale Earnhardt on the all-time win list despite the fact he has 20 less wins than him. 441. Brad24 posted: 11.19.2019 - 11:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Championship 4 Drivers combined led all but 1 lap in this race. The 1 lap was led by Stenhouse which was during green flag pit stops. 442. Canadianfan posted: 11.19.2019 - 1:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Door Bumper Clear podcast says 2021 Season potentially ending in September. 443. Corey posted: 11.19.2019 - 1:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @442 So what you're saying is that there will be a drastic reduction in the schedule and the playoffs will be no more. 444. Canadianfan posted: 11.19.2019 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @443 Yes I could see the final race on Sunday September 26th, 2021. I imagine they will shrink the playoffs to 5 races. I also think the schedule will be reduced to around 29 races which was the length of the schedule from 1986 through 1992. 445. Corey posted: 11.19.2019 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 5 races? Too short, just get rid of it. 446. Mile501 posted: 11.19.2019 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A shorter schedule would be enormously beneficial for everyone. From a supply and demand perspective, a smaller supply (of races) should increase demand. For the drivers and crew members, it would give them more of a break from what is currently way too long and stressful of a schedule. If we have to have some kind of chase/playoffs, I think ~6 races, as long as they're on some of the more challenging tracks on the circuit, would be a good way to award a championship. It would surely be a lot better than what we have now. 447. GoPM21 posted: 11.19.2019 - 2:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @443 While that could be inferred, perhaps there's more doubleheaders and/or midweek races on the horizon. 448. Canadianfan posted: 11.19.2019 - 2:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @447 I have felt that Pocono next year could be the test bed for that but NASCAR has already said they're releasing the schedule in April. That would tell me they would wait till 2022 to make more doubleheader's. 449. Corey posted: 11.19.2019 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @448 If that's the case, then they should wait for 2022 before they do any sort of shorten schedule. As far as mid-week race go. I am 1000% against them. 450. 1995-Subaru-WRX-Sti posted: 11.19.2019 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have said it before and I will repeat myself. I would rather have NASCAR cut races first before adding new tracks and what not. If NACSAR is dead set on have 30+ races a year (which really isn't needed) then double headers would be the way too go. And I am with Corey... mid-week races would suck. However a mid-week is done before a off week then I wouldn't mind. For weather delays and such. 451. racefangurl posted: 11.19.2019 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not sure how much I'll be on these boards between now and Speedweeks. 452. possum posted: 11.19.2019 - 8:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @443 - well, that's an interesting subject to speculate on. Especially since the ending date and the number of races are not necessarily related. If you wanted to end at the end of September, you'd have to save 7 race dates. Going to a double header at Pocono saves 1. You could get rid of the Clash, which is pretty much meaningless now-a-days since almost everyone's qualified for it, and run the Daytona 500 a week earlier, which would save 1 (and might be necessary if the NFL moves the Super Bowl a week later, as has been recently proposed). You could move the All-Star race to Memorial day weekend (All-Star on Fri, trucks or Xfinity or both on Sat, 600 on Sun - or even run the 600 on Monday, as was done in the old days), that'd save a date. You could eliminate two open weekends - teams would probably be OK with that if they had a longer off-season - which would save 2 dates. So that's 5 of the 7 needed dates without cutting out a race at all. Another doubleheader and a mid-week race would take care of the last two, and give us a 36 race schedule ending at the end of Sept. That said, getting rid of a few races would be a better solution - it's just not clear that NASCAR can do that, since the race dates are property of the tracks, not NASCAR (and even tho NASCAR and ISC are one and the same, I can't really see ISC volunteering to give up a date, or NASCAR volunteering to buy one from SMI). 453. acerogers58 posted: 11.19.2019 - 11:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn, would of been a tight finish if we were in the old points format! 454. Pancakes posted: 11.20.2019 - 7:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch becomes the 3rd fastest driver to 56 career wins trailing only Richard Petty and Jeff Gordon. Edging out David Pearson by just 10 days. I think he can win 85 races to put him 4th and barring injury he could push for Gordon's 93 wins. 455. Altracing posted: 11.20.2019 - 7:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was looking on NASCAR's reddit page and saw this neat stat by a user named Blair1999 in which he has the top 10 winningest drivers of the 2010s in case anyone was interested 1. Kyle Busch 40 wins 2. Kevin Harvick 38 wins 3. Jimmie Johnson 36 wins 4. Denny Hamlin 29 wins 5. Brad Keselowski 29 wins 6. Martin Truex Jr. 25 wins 7. Joey Logano 22 wins 8. Matt Kenseth 22 wins 9. Carl Edwards 12 wins 10. Tony Stewart 12 wins 456. Anonymous posted: 11.20.2019 - 11:36 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) @453 Yep. Hamlin was two mistakes away from a title under the old format: His spin through the grass at Texas His overheating issue at Homestead 457. George_Costanza posted: 11.20.2019 - 12:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) According to Adam Stern, TV viewership was trending upward on the year until the final two races had a huge drop in viewership, leaving the final number at 3.3 million on average, same as last year. 458. Wil posted: 11.20.2019 - 1:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) It's almost as if scheduling the final races on a Sunday in the heart of NFL season is suboptimal to viewership. Not that anyone could have seen that coming. 459. RaceFanX posted: 11.21.2019 - 9:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch his picture featured on the front page of Wikipedia after this with the conclusion of the season and his championship success being highlighted as part of the site's "In the news" section. 460. Sector posted: 11.21.2019 - 10:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) A few days after this race, Jimmie Johnson announced to be retiring after the 2020 season. 461. Pancakes posted: 11.21.2019 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hope he doesn't sneak into win 85 next year. His talent was never and 80 win 7 championship type of talent. He had an elite team with an elite car and elite crew chief. His best attribute was never getting less out of the car than the car was capable of and I can respect him for it but he was always more of a 40 win 2 championship type of talent. He is easily the least talented of the "greats". He needed a superior handling car to do what he did and it showed every time conditions weren't great and it came to slinging the car around he was out done by Gordon or Stewart in every instance I can remember. 462. ThatGuy posted: 11.21.2019 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @461 bold statement ...but my feelings are similar. I'd say over 50 wins with 3 championships (he could've been the first guy since Rusty Wallace to bridge the gap to Earnhardt in wins, but stay behind Dale...no one has 57-75 wins). I think the proof is definitely there for him benefitting from top equipment, given he had 20+ top 10s for 14 straight years and looking at what he's done the last 2.5-3 years. I think it was right for Hendrick to invest more into Jimmie than Jeff when he did, but imagine if it stayed equal or Jeff kept an edge. Jeff would be 6 or 7 time champion, and had he been a better closer, have easily 100 wins, probably 2nd all time with 106+. Then Jeff, Dale & Richard would be (still, as they were from '01-'08) the only drivers with MORE than 3 titles, which I think now Kyle Busch is the most likely to join 463. William24ByronFan posted: 11.21.2019 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can't wait for the 2020 NASCAR Cup Series Season. 464. Canadianfan posted: 11.21.2019 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @463 I am way more excited about 2021 and beyond. 2020 will be nothing more than a stopgap with hopefully better short track racing. 465. A.J. posted: 11.21.2019 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In this era there usually aren't radical changes from one season's results to the next. 2019 in many ways was a copy of 2018 in terms of how the teams fared, Stewart-Haas wasn't as good as they had been, Toyota dominated again, Penske was still solid. Chevy still sucked, but was a little better than 2018, even though Bowman, Byron & Larson fluked their way past the round of 16. Whatever shuffling of the standings occurs in 2020 will probably be subtle and the above statements will be substantially as true in 2020 as they were in 2019 and 2018. 466. Ralphie posted: 11.21.2019 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 463: is there going to be any change to the cars or the race packages for next season? If not, you might want to curb your enthusiasm like 464 said. A new package doesn't guarantee better quality racing, but at many tracks it couldn't be much worse than it was in 2019. Can't say I'm looking forward to the 2020 finale at as boring a track as Phoenix is, not that Homestead was a bit better last week. After that Phoenix anticlimax there will be a lot of people with their fingers really crossed hoping for better things in '21. 467. Corey posted: 11.21.2019 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @466 There might be changes when it comes to the short tracks and places like Phoenix. @465 Penske may have been solid but their performance dropped off. They won 5 of the first 15 races, but only 1 in the next 21. Logano looked like a championship contender mostly due to his the stages, but his race finishes just were not there. 468. Canadianfan posted: 11.21.2019 - 5:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @467 Only if NASCAR can get the teams to agree. The RTA wanted as few race packages as possible. Which is why we are in this predicament to begin with. 469. Corey posted: 11.21.2019 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @468 That's when NASCAR should go the "my way or the highway" route. The racing was not good at those places and everyone can already see that. It was mentioned on both DBC and DJD that if nothing changes, the Phoenix championship race will be boring as hell. And its not like they are increasing the number of packages, they just need to change the one used on the short tracks. If it didn't work this year, no reason to keep it. 470. Pancakes posted: 11.21.2019 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Phoenix is a boring track now? Loudon, Kentucky, Indianapolis, Michigan, California the list is endless. Has it occurred to anyone that it is not the track but the car that is the reason for "boring" racing? There have been great races at literally every track except maybe Kentucky that "fans" complain about these days. I have been watching NASCAR pretty much since it became available on television and fans these days would be crying by all the victories by multiple laps and 20+ seconds. The majority of races saw less than 10 drivers on the lead lap. There were just a many weeks back then only a handful of drivers were going to win just like today. The racing would be much more exciting if NASCAR would put the driver back in the car. The cars are too sucked down to the ground and aero dependent. Get the car jacked back up off the ground so air is moving under it again instead of creating so much down force. It will slow the speeds as well because crew chiefs will have a harder time creating grip for their driver and the drivers will have to actually wheel the call for the first time in decades. Speeds won't be as fast but the racing will be much more exciting. 471. Maverick19 posted: 11.21.2019 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, anyone who says that Michigan is a boring track for example needs to go back and watch the races in the 80's to early 90's that had almost 40 lead changes. Clearly the track is capable. Phoenix has produced good racing before, so has Dover, etc. At this point it's the car (although they need to stop with the VHT, at this point it probably *is* screwing up tracks) 472. Corey posted: 11.21.2019 - 7:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @470 I was calling Phoenix boring in regards to the current race package. No one is saying the track itself is boring. But if nothing changes, we are going to get more of the same. With the championship on the line, next year, it sad that we can already predict how exciting or lack there off it will be. Heck, I love Martinsville, but imagine having a third face in a row where the winner leads roughly 450 laps. 473. Sector posted: 11.21.2019 - 8:55 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) #461-462 While I understand what everyone means by this because Johnson literally dominated 1.5 mile tracks, what does that say about his 11 Dover wins and 9 Martinsville wins, the most wins at a single track before we find a 1.5 mile track at Charlotte with 8 wins? Martinsville puts more emphasis on a driver than car and I would think Dover reacts the same way. With the way 2016 and 2017 played out as bad seasons for Hendrick, the first two years after Jeff Gordon's retirement, Johnson still won multiple races. 2017 is an interesting one, outside of those 3 wins, he was nowhere all season long. #472 I actually find it pretty awesome that we had two drivers leading over 400 laps this season. They are historic dominant wins that proved the laps led from the good 'ol days are still possible. However if it was the season finale race, like Phoenix will be, I believe it'll be more dramatic. Didn't Kyle Busch held back a little to allow Denny Hamlin to take the win at Phoenix, because if he didn't that would open up the door for Joey Logano to try to repeat as a champion, whom has had many feuds with the Joe Gibbs Racing drivers? 474. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.22.2019 - 12:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @468 Easy solution: squash the RTA, the charter system, and EVERY 2019 rules package. Remember what a union caused in 1969, NASCAR? 475. Canadianfan posted: 11.22.2019 - 1:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @474 Ha ha very funny. You don't understand that's not how things works anymore. The rule with an iron fist died out with Bill France Sr., Bill France Jr. was far more lenient because he understood where the sport needed to go to survive. 476. William24ByronFan posted: 11.24.2019 - 10:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Front Row Motorsports announced that they will go back to two cars full time next season. 477. Mile501 posted: 11.26.2019 - 10:12 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) 2019 Races with Most Laps Led: 9 Kyle Busch (5 wins) 6 Kevin Harvick (4 wins) 4 Martin Truex Jr. (7 wins) 4 Chase Elliott (3 wins) 3 Denny Hamlin (6 wins) 2 Brad Keselowski (3 wins) 2 Joey Logano (2 wins) 2 Ryan Blaney (1 win) 2 Matt DiBenedetto (0 wins) 1 Kyle Larson (1 win) 1 Austin Dillon (0 wins) 0 Alex Bowman (1 win) 0 Kurt Busch (1 win) 0 Erik Jones (1 win) 0 Justin Haley (1 win) 478. Z posted: 11.26.2019 - 12:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Potential NASCAR Street Circuits?? https://www.foxnews.com/auto/nascar-street-racing-2021.amp (Originally Reported By Sports Business Journal) 479. Mile501 posted: 11.26.2019 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Drivers who won their first career race during the 2010s decade: Chase Elliott Kyle Larson Ryan Blaney Aric Almirola Marcos Ambrose Austin Dillon Erik Jones David Ragan Ricky Stenhouse Jr. A.J. Allmendinger Trevor Bayne Alex Bowman Chris Buescher Justin Haley Paul Menard Regan Smith 480. Canadianfan posted: 11.26.2019 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The whole Premium/Ware/Gaunt saga is gaining traction. TobyChristie posted an article about it on his site with some transcripts of radio chatter between Premium's Competition Director and Crew Chief abut the #15 having power steering issues. Here is an excerpt. Scott Eggleston, the competition director of Premium Motorsports keyed the radio and said, ?You got a power steering problem there, Peter?? Crew chief Peter Sospenzo, sounding surprised at the revelation that his No. 15 car has a mechanical issue at first, then seemed to start playing along. ?Uh yeah, we could ? yeah, yeah. I mean, let me know.? Well, that's an odd radio transmission. Why would Eggleston be letting Sospenzo know if there was a steering issue? Less than four laps later, the odd steering box conversation continued. Eggleston asked, ?You got a steering box ready to go, Peter?? Sospenzo replied, ?Yep. Yep.? Eggleston then asked Nemechek if he has steering box issues, to which Nemechek replied ?Say that again?? Instead of asking the question again, Eggleston told Nemechek, ?Steering box issues, need to bring it to the garage. Bring it to the garage, steering box issues. He's got steering box issues.? Nemechek radioed back, ?10-4,? and promptly pulled his No. 15 machine behind the wall and was done for the night. Chastain moved up to 37th as a result. Brian Keselowski mentioned on Twitter that likely nothing will happen and this is happened many times before. Apparently finishing 36th in owner points is worth $500,000 to $700,000.. 481. Mannoroth posted: 11.27.2019 - 7:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) How would the final standings look, if the old Chase rules were still in place? 1. Martin Truex, Jr. 2411 - 2. Kevin Harvick 2398 13 3. Denny Hamlin 2378 33 4. Kyle Busch 2352 59 5. Joey Logano 2335 76 6. Ryan Blaney 2333 78 7. Brad Keselowski 2317 94 8. Kyle Larson 2302 109 9. Alex Bowman 2296 115 10. Kurt Busch 2282 129 11. William Byron 2282 129 12. Chase Elliott 2266 145 I used the 2011 point system. Martin Truex, Jr. would win his 2nd title under this format. 482. Anon posted: 11.27.2019 - 7:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @480 It isn't the finishing of 36th in points that is worth the 700k, it is being the highest finishing non-charter team. The evidence very strongly suggests quite the elaborate plan to manipulate the end of the race to ensure the 27 beat the 96 in owner's points by 1 point to collect that money. This is not much different than the MWR race manipulation, but since it is involving back marker teams I agree that nothing will come of it. In the end it is really unfortunate for Gaunt Brothers Racing. They ran 11 fewer races than the 27, showing just how much more competitive they are than Premium. That 700k could have gone a long way toward getting them out there more in 2020. Had they run the full season at the same performance, they'd have been in the mix with the 36, 32, and 38 for 29th in points. That is significantly better than any Premium, RWR, or Spire entry, yet those are the teams that conspired together to manipulate the race. While all the audio isn't released yet, it certainly sounds like the 52 and 77 both parked it to allow the 27 to pass them. The rumors are that Reed Sorenson was initially having none of it and stayed on the track despite the order to bring it in before the competition direction finally got him to pit, and Reed was pissed about it. In the end, I get why they'd do it, but considering how blatantly obvious it is that they did this, it really shouldn't go unpunished with at least some fines. You can't give the money to Gaunt that they seemingly earned, but I'd fine Premium at least 500k because their race manipulation is obvious. It sounds like once the audio comes out the race manipulation for Spire is obvious too, so a 250k fine or something along those lines is something I'd support. I'd support the same fine for RWR if the evidence is clear that the 52 did the same as the 77 and 15. It is too bad Toyota didn't catch wind of what was happening and bring DiBenedetto in with 5 to go, allowing the 96 to pass him, but he'd remain ahead of the 27. The 95 only finished 1 point behind the 3 though, so they were still racing for something at the end. If nothing else, it is a very interesting story. 483. MSportRev posted: 11.27.2019 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Premium Motorsports and Rick Ware Racing have been penalized for manipulating the outcome of the 2019 season finale. 484. Canadianfan posted: 11.27.2019 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @483 And Spire. From Pockrass. Penalty: NASCAR docked Premium No. 15 & 27 teams, Spire No. 77 team & Rick Ware No. 52 team 50 owner points and indefinitely suspended Premium/Spire comp chief Scott Eggleston (plus $50K fine) & RWR comp chief Kenneth Evans (plus $25K fine) for manipulating finish at Homestead. NASCAR was asked to review right after race as 15, 77 & 52 all parked before end, helping the 27 team finish one spot higher than the 96 in owner pts. The top open team in owner pts gets half of the ?unclaimed? purse when there are short fields. The next two split the remainder. My guess is the total "unclaimed purse" for short fields was probably $1-1.5M so difference between top open team and next open team was probably $200-400K. So this penalty is bigger than fines listed. Jay Robinson/Ware/Spire teams can appeal. Scott Miller: ?Following a thorough review of race data and driver/team communication from the season finale at Homestead-Miami Speedway, as well as interviews with several competitors. Miller: "... NASCAR has determined that the Nos. 15, 27, 52 and 77 teams have violated Sections 12.8.g and 12.8.1 of the NASCAR rule book, which addresses manipulating the outcome of a race. As a result, those teams in violation of the rule book have been penalized." NASCAR knew right after the race something was up and begin a formal investigation on Monday the 18th. 485. Mile501 posted: 11.27.2019 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @483 - Good; I'm glad NASCAR did something about that. This will place Gaunt Brothers as the highest non-chartered team, which is apparently worth an additional $150,000 in year-end prize money. Also, a slight correction--Ware (#52), Premium (#15, #27), and Spire (#77) were all penalized. Each received a penalty of 50 owner points for playing a part in the manipulation. This also results in StarCom gaining 1 position in the final owner standings. 486. 66LongFan posted: 11.27.2019 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Rwr and premium do not deserve that penalty they did a smart business decision that has been in NASCAR since the 1950s 487. Anon posted: 11.27.2019 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Justice is served, great job by NASCAR for doing what I was sure they'd overlook and ignore. While the fines seem small, you can really add an extra 700k to Premium's fine because they lost all that bonus money. This is better than a fine though because Gaunt gets that money now. The points penalty doesn't affect the RWR 52 or Spire 77 teams much at all, as they were both in the bottom 3 charter teams anyway (which is what matters) so I'd have like to see a more significant fine for them. The fact that the orchestrator in all of this (Scott Eggleston) got indefinitely suspended though is definitely a good thing. I really hope that someday we get to hear what Reed Sorenson has to say about this situation, because I'm sure he was the driver that was "livid" about the situation post-race. I'm guessing he won't say much as long as he's still hoping to drive for any of those teams next year, but I hope his story in this situation comes out someday. 488. Blaney12Fan posted: 11.27.2019 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @486 It was the right call. If I owned Nascar, I would definitely not allow this in my sport.m, and I'm sure most of us can agree. 489. possum posted: 11.27.2019 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @486 - for better or worse, we're not in the 1950s. And it's definately not a "smart business decision" to do something which is specifically forbidden by the rules. All three teams fully deserve the penalty they got (indeed, the penalties should be doubled just for the sheer stupidity of trying it). 490. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.27.2019 - 10:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Who do you think will be the 200th different winner in NASCAR Cup history? I pick Bubba Wallace or Austin Cindric, depending on the rate of first-time winners over the next 2 seasons (there are currently 193 unique winners) 491. BOBO83329521 posted: 11.27.2019 - 10:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also regarding above blatant cheating situation, those teams got what they deserved for that. At least it was caught by NASCAR rather than what happened with Bubba at Texas. Just hope that those teams don't go defunct like MWR did when they were accused of similar cheating scandal in 2013, because while RWR and Spire are always in the rear of the field, hey, they are building the future talent of the sport for when they actually get to the Cup Series legit in another 5 years or so. Also, regarding a comparison between MWR and this, at least they chose not to penalize the innocent 96 car unlike when they penalized the 56 for not being involved in 2013 492. wisconsinracefan posted: 11.28.2019 - 12:05 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I am happy NASCAR did something to the also ran teams that were involved in finishing order of homestead just so one also-run team can get extra money instead of the Gaunt Brothers 96 car. The 96 had more speed than the 27 car. I do not think an extra $700,000 is not going to bring the speed up what the 96 is capable of. I hope the extra money the 96 team gets helps them in equipment, or increase amount of races they run. Out of anything this is one of the ugly things that show why charters should not be allowed in NASCAR. 493. Tarheel posted: 11.28.2019 - 7:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 490, winner #194- Byron, #195-Matty D, #196- Bell, #197- Buescher, #198- Custer, #199- Reddick, #200- whoever replaces Jimmie Johnson. Chastain might upset my scenario, and it's just my wild prediction anyway. 494. Corey posted: 11.28.2019 - 8:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @493 Your wild prediction is already wrong. Buescher has a victory at Pocono. 495. Corey posted: 11.28.2019 - 8:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @491 The 96 car comparison to the MWR incident would have been the 24. They were innocent ones. If you're looking for an equivalent to the 56 in this case, it's the 27. 496. Tarheel posted: 11.28.2019 - 8:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 494, dammit man. Would you believe me if I said I meant Briscoe? 497. Onion posted: 11.28.2019 - 9:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @486 They did make a smart business decision, however it was in violation of existing rules and they did not manage to keep it undetected, so whatever you are thinking about the vaildity of the decision, the penalty was unquestionably just. 498. racefangurl posted: 11.30.2019 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 470, so Phoenix is a boring track with this car/package and would race better with an improved car/return to old package? 499. William24ByronFan posted: 11.30.2019 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Garrett Smithley and J.J. Yeley might be racing for RWR full time next season. 500. Sector posted: 12.01.2019 - 10:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is the track where Kyle Larson has been knowing to be scary fast at. Sadly he scores his first DNF at Homestead, due to an engine failure, in last (40th). Hopefully with this being the last time Homestead being the finale race for the foreseeable future he can finally win here, with Homestead being placed in March starting in 2020, without the "Final Four" drama occurring. Finally, since this is post #500 (Cool huh?) and we're now in the holidays and off season, I will announce this is my final post under the name "Sector." I will be posting under a different name beginning in my next post, which won't be until the season opener during the Daytona Speed Weeks. Have a great holidays everyone and see you all at Daytona in February! 501. Canadianfan posted: 12.05.2019 - 11:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR announces 2020 "premier" partners: Busch, Coca-Cola, Geico, Xfinity. They will continue existing programs (i.e., Xfinity Series). Coke to be presenting sponsor of regular-season champ trophy. Xfinity to sponsor Martinsville elimination race. Busch to sponsor a race TBA. 502. RaceFanX posted: 12.05.2019 - 12:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) So the regular season title will now basically be the "Coke Cup?" They should go with that if only for the sweet pun. 503. Canadianfan posted: 12.05.2019 - 8:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Per NASCAR the Top 5 MPD vote getters was in alphabetical order. Ryan Blaney Kyle Busch Matt DiBenedetto Chase Elliott Martin Truex Jr. 504. Corey posted: 12.05.2019 - 8:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Awards ceremony just started and I think Cassadee Pope forgot to put a shirt on. 505. Marik posted: 12.05.2019 - 10:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #503 I'm quite surprise Martin Truex Jr is on that list. I didn't think he was receiving any love. 506. Canadianfan posted: 12.05.2019 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR has also released the Top 5 in votes order. 1. Chase Elliott 2. Kyle Busch 3. Matt DiBenedetto 4. Martin Truex Jr. 5. Ryan Blaney 507. Canadianfan posted: 12.09.2019 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) https://nascar.com/gallery/joey-logano-next-gen-car-testing-ism-raceway-phoenix/ Logano is testing the Next-Gen (GEN7) car today and tomorrow at Phoenix. It will be tested at Homestead-Miami in January. 508. racefangurl posted: 12.12.2019 - 2:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 505, Kyle Busch is my Truex, as in I thought HE was the black hat. Maybe a number of people like a villain, though? Or they just respect his talent and don't care about his personality? I respect Shrub's driver talent, but because of his personality, not a fan. 509. Canadianfan posted: 12.17.2019 - 9:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) More information about the Next-Gen car. https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/12/17/2021-nascars-first-ever-independent-rear-suspension It has a tap shifter used for a sequential gearbox and rear-mounted six-speed sequential transaxle. The shifter can be tapped forward and back in order to change gears and it has a lockout handle on the front that, when engaged, allows the driver to shift into reverse. Because of the way the shifter linkage is mounted, we can also deduce that the sequential gearbox is most likely packaged as a transaxle in the back of the car. Moving to a transaxle means that the whole arrangement of the car will change, since the current car relies on a solid rear axle and corresponding suspension design. NASCAR will be moving from a solid-axle rear suspension to an independent rear suspension for the first time in history. This is supported by some of the pictures released by NASCAR which show significant negative camber in the rear that could not be possible even with the adjustable ?floater? rear axles NASCAR currently uses. Complementing that new independent rear suspension will be a whole new damper arrangement. It is reasonable to assume that the rear will now have a coilover-type damper due to the new suspension; and according to one of our sources, the front is also going to transition to a coilover-type configuration. This coilover setup will replace the current ?spring-in-bucket? design that has been in use, in one form or another, since the 1960s. One final change is hiding in plain sight. As shown in pictures released by NASCAR, the tires are going to be wider. NASCAR currently uses a 28/10-15 Goodyear tire, but one of the photos shared by NASCAR shows a sticker on one of the ?Goodyear Racing Special? test tires with a listed size of 365/35R18. This means that the tire is 365 millimeters (14.3 inches) wide, which converts to an increase of 4.3 inches over the current tire. In addition to to the increase of wheel size from 15 to 18 inches. 510. zuel660 posted: 12.18.2019 - 9:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) @509 I can't imagine how massive the cost of this changeover will be, plus the millions of dollars of current parts & components that will be obsoleted and essentially useless once this happens. It's almost like Nascar wants to rid the sport of its small team once & for all..... 511. zuel660 posted: 12.18.2019 - 9:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) *small teams 512. Corey posted: 12.18.2019 - 9:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @510 It's no different then when they moved to the COT car. The sport survived. They have a year to plan their budget and strategies for the transition. 513. zuel660 posted: 12.18.2019 - 11:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @511 while it was a big change, the COT did not obsolete wheels, tires, axles, transmissions, etc like this new car will, plus there's also the element of an entirely new engine package coming. This transition is HUGE, & will be extremely expensive, much more so than the changeover to the COT. 514. Corey posted: 12.18.2019 - 12:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @513 The transition to the COT was also extremely expensive. You're forgetting that NASCAR ran a season using both the COT and the Gen 4 car. These teams had to keep parts and pieces for both cars, while employing extra staff to manage it. This next transition will be just out with the old, in with the new. 515. possum posted: 12.18.2019 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @509 - so, basically it's an LMP2 car then. On the one hand I suspose it's nice NASCAR is moving away from 1950s technology; on the other hand, given that sort of design only exists in a few very high dollar sports cars, it's a pity they're abandoning any pretense of being related to production automobiles. The big wheel is a surprise - it will be interesting to see if there's less tire failures (the whole reason for doing it being to move the bead further from the brake, and allow more cooling air flow) or more tire failures (the narrow sidewall being weaker, which is why race cars from F1 down run on higher profile tires). Incidently, contrary to Hagerty's opinion, it won't be all that much wider when you look at the contact patch, since the short sidewalls won't allow the tire to spread as much. 516. Pancakes posted: 12.23.2019 - 10:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I did something similar with wins a few years ago to disprove all the modern day cry babies who whine unfair too few drivers dominant everything and its no fun wha, wha, wha. So here at the end of another decade of NASCAAR I decided to look at the champions per decade and 2010-2019 produced more champions than in any other 10 year span in this history of the sport. Just more proof that there is more parody in today's NASCAR than at any point in its history. 2010-2019 7 Champions 2 Multi-Champs (Jimmie Johnson 3) 2000-2009 6 Champions 2 Multi-Champs (Jimmie Johnson 4) 1990-1999 5 Champions 2 Multi-Champs (Dale Earnhardt 4) 1980-1989 6 Champions 2 Multi-Champs (Darrell Waltrip 3) 1970-1979 4 Champions 3 Multi-Champs (Richard Petty 5) 1960-1969 5 Champions 4 Multi-Champs (David Pearson 3) 1949-1959 6 Champions 4 Multi-Champs (Lee Petty 3) 517. Tide1732 posted: 12.23.2019 - 1:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Honda,Nissan,Dodge or Acura One of 4 manufactures will be in 2021 NASCAR season I pick Honda 518. Canadianfan posted: 12.23.2019 - 1:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @517 Honda joining us would be good for us but bad for every other racing series. The guy who runs HPD mentioned that if they were to join NASCAR they would leave IndyCar and IMSA. They can't afford to do all 3. 519. NotSure posted: 12.23.2019 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) @516 I agree that 'parody' is the correct choice here. 520. ScottB posted: 12.23.2019 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @517- None of the above. 521. Scott25 posted: 12.23.2019 - 5:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @516 probably the silliest thing I've ever seen posted on here, manages to make Tide's post below it seem sane 522. GoPM21 posted: 12.23.2019 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @516 Parity. Not parody. Furthermore, I listen to SiriusXM NASCAR frequently and there's plenty of old crybabies too. You need to get over yourself. 523. Ultimate_Warrior_#18 posted: 12.23.2019 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @516 parity between different number of champions isn't the issue. The issue is parity amongst teams in the garage you can literally put teams in tier categories you couldn't do that so much in the 90's- 2010 ish. Unless you drive for Hendrick, Gibbs, Penske, or Stewart-Haas your odds of winning a non plate race is greatly diminished with Ganassi being the only exception but we can all classify them as a tier B+ Team. If you drive for StarCom, Ware etc a top 25 qualifying run is huge. I remember just 10 years ago Dave Blaney qualified a start and park car in the top 5 in a cup race. So yea parity is not near what it was in the boom era. 524. Mile501 posted: 12.23.2019 - 8:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @516 - That may only be proof of a championship format that is rather random. In any case, championships provide a rather small sample size for any kind of research. Wins provide a somewhat better picture. 2000-2009 43 different winners 28 drivers with 3+ wins 3 drivers with over 20 wins (lower number here = greater variety of winners) 2010-2019 37 different winners 21 drivers with 3+ wins 8 drivers with over 20 wins (those 8 drivers won 67% of the races) 525. Corey posted: 12.23.2019 - 11:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @524 I think one thing to take note of. I feel there was a greater change over in drivers during the 2000-2009 period then for 2010-2019. In 2009, drivers with 10+ full seasons in Cup won just 12 races. In 2019, drivers with 10+ full seasons won 28 races. I believe the last two drivers to hit double digit in wins were Clint Bowyer and Martin Truex Jr and they were both rookies in 2006. There are numerous drivers in the 2000's who achieved 10+ wins within 5 years including Newman, Johnson and both Busch brothers. There is exactly one between 2010 and 2019. Brad Keselowski. This is kind of telling when his first full season was 2010, which kind of groups him with the guys from the 2000's then it does with the younger ones. We might see a few more, but some guys are going to need to pick up the pace. Chase Elliott needs 4 next season, while Ryan Blaney needs 7 and Chris Buescher needs 9. Erik Jones needs 8 in the next two years. Wow, the more I look at these numbers, the more I believe that Cup drivers running full-time in Xfinity in the late 2000's really had long term negative affects on the sport. 526. Anonymous posted: 12.24.2019 - 12:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @525 "Wow, the more I look at these numbers, the more I believe that Cup drivers running full-time in Xfinity in the late 2000's really had long term negative affects on the sport." Been hiding under a rock? 527. Iamthedebris posted: 12.24.2019 - 7:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man, the 2010's were a wild ride. Looking back on the decade, more good came from the bad that was in the beginning. The COT and the wretched spoilers finally were replaced by a car with a more modern type look. Of course, the Chase changed again to now Wild Card drivers in 2011(sigh), and creating the infamous Clint Bowyer spin. Than, the Chase changed to the elimination format(This isn't football or hockey, this is fricken' NASCAR). Stage points... yeah I can tell you see this is going bad. And of course, the turd left by the damn fiddle himself, Brian France, and his DUI. The positives for the decade were that the safety features brought over by the COT have helped several bad wrecks keep drivers safe, and the models have become a bit slimmer. The big transition from the Aging drivers like Biffle, Gordon, Kenseth, Johnson, Earnhardt, and others feels like it has gone mostly smooth. And with the asinine leader of Smokin' France out of office, a rebuild of NASCAR looks to be underway. I see the 2020's as a change to appeal to all ages, bold strategies that could either help fix or damage the sport. But, change will be key in the new era of NASCAR, the rebirth. Daytona 2020 to the checkered flag at whatever track in 2029, buckle up! It is going to be one ride you won't wAnt to miss. 528. Wil posted: 12.24.2019 - 10:18 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) @525 Harvick said on Race Hub after Jones won Darlington that the reason it takes young drivers longer now is because of the limits on testing. In the mid 2000's there weren't any, but now there are restrictions which makes the learning curve steeper for even the most skilled young drivers. 529. ScottB posted: 12.24.2019 - 9:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The increasing pressure for drivers to bring along a sponsor to a Cup team is probably also a factor. Established stars with a proven record in Cup have more success in retaining sponsors, or finding replacements for the ones who do leave the sport. Finding someone willing to put big money behind a newcomer is much harder today than in the sport's boom years. This is part of why when we get down to the "final four" in current playoff format, it tends to be the same faces. 530. BOBO83329521 posted: 12.28.2019 - 10:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @529 There are some younger drivers that sponsors want to put in a Cup car, right Austin and Ty Dillon, Daniel Suarez and Danica? 531. Nascarfan3 posted: 12.29.2019 - 9:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For the first time in a while nobody in the top 3 series has had a last name beginning with o. There was at least 1 in Arca but none in MENCS, Xfinity, or GOTS. 532. Canadianfan posted: 12.31.2019 - 2:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) From Adam Stern: NASCAR is expected to unveil a new short-track aero package for the 2020 Cup Series season in the coming weeks, per sources, with the main changes being to the spoiler and splitter areas of the car. ? Teams have agreed to make the changes in a bid to improve on-track action. 533. Tarheel posted: 12.31.2019 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 532, good. That's what they were originally going to do last year before deciding to stick with one aero package. 534. 1995-Subaru-WRX-STi posted: 12.31.2019 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) ^ Blame the teams for that. Sometimes NASCAR has too put their foot down and say "Nope, this is way we are going tooo it. Deal with it." NASCAR was in the right and teams were in the wrong. 535. JSPorts posted: 12.31.2019 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's correct. Hopefully, the 2021 car will put on a good show at every type of track, not just one like this current package. 536. 1995-Subaru-WRX-STi posted: 12.31.2019 - 11:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My only fear is when the auto manus and teams get their hands on the car. NASCARs proof of concept body I like with the shorter quarter panels and being symmetrical in nature. 537. Anthony2 posted: 01.01.2020 - 12:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) 2020. Is. Here!!! 538. racefangurl posted: 01.01.2020 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I bet hybrids in NASCAR would chase people away. 539. kup posted: 01.05.2020 - 1:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) UPS: Universal Points System. Driver's UPointS = Miles / Aver.Finish 2019 UPS _ Driver = Miles / AF 1517 _ Kyle Busch = 13564.44 / 8.944 1421 _ Denny Hamlin = 13456.43 / 9.472 1387 _ Martin Truex, Jr. = 13527.8 / 9.75 1309 _ Kevin Harvick = 13125.97 / 10.028 1278 _ Joey Logano = 13739.73 / 10.75 1036 _ Kurt Busch = 13583.08 / 13.111 1000 _ Brad Keselowski = 12859.74 / 12.861 978 Ryan Blaney = 13425.54 / 13.722 934 Alex Bowman = 13417.78 / 14.361 924 Ryan Newman = 13446.44 / 14.556 913 William Byron = 13589.68 / 14.889 866.4 Aric Almirola = 13356.54 / 15.417 865.6 Clint Bowyer = 13128.08 / 15.167 848 Chase Elliott = 12842.56 / 15.139 846 Kyle Larson = 12733.03 / 15.056 828 Paul Menard = 13714.79 / 16.556 826 Daniel Suarez = 13539.6 / 16.389 776 Erik Jones = 12612.96 / 16.25 758 Chris Buescher = 13524.01 / 17.833 753 Jimmie Johnson = 13073.5 / 17.361 717 Matt DiBenedetto = 13125.13 / 18.306 674 Austin Dillon = 13130.08 / 19.472 Accurate AF thanks to: https://www.nascar.com/gallery/2019-cup-series-average-finish/ 540. kup posted: 01.05.2020 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) TOTAL: 19 "UPS" seasons 2001-2019: J.Gordon 5 in: 01, 04, 07, 09, 14. K.Harvick 3 in: 10, 15, 16. C.Edwards 2 in: 08, 11. J.Johnson 2 in: 06, 13. Ky.Busch 2 in: 18, 19. M.Martin 1 in: 02. M.Kenseth 1 in: 03. T.Stewart 1 in: 05. B.Keselowski 1 in: 12. M.Truex, Jr. 1 in: 17. In 19 years 10 drivers won UPS-title. 2 drivers won 8/19 years. 5 drivers won 14/19 years. Chevy won most of 19 years. P.S. Just 2/19 times were 2-in-a-row: 15-16 Kevin, 18-19 Kyle. 541. kup posted: 01.05.2020 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) TOTAL: UPS! 71 years 1949-2019: Dale Earnhardt 8 in: '80, '86, '87, '89, '91, '93, '94, '95. Richard Petty 7 in: '63, '64, '67, '71, '72, '75, '79. Jeff Gordon 6 in: '98, '01, '04, '07, '09, '14. Lee Petty 5 in: '50, '52, '54, '58, '59. David Pearson 4 in: '66, '68, '69, '76. Cale Yarborough 3 in: '74, '77, '78. Bobby Allison 3 in: '81, '82, '83. Mark Martin 3 in: '90, '97, '02. Kevin Harvick 3 in: '10, '15, '16. Buck Baker 2 in: '56, '57. Rex White 2 in: '60, '61. Terry Labonte 2 in: '84, '96. Carl Edwards 2 in: '08, '11. Jimmie Johnson 2 in: '06, '13. Kyle Busch 2 in: '18, '19. Bill Blair 1 in: '49. Fonty Flock 1 in: '51. Herb Thomas 1 in: '53. Tim Flock 1 in: '55. Joe Weatherly 1 in: '62. Ned Jarrett 1 in: '65. Bobby Isaac 1 in: '70. Benny Parsons 1 in: '73. Darrell Waltrip 1 in: '85. Bill Elliott 1 in: '88. Alan Kulwicki 1 in: '92. Dale Jarrett 1 in: '99. Bobby Labonte 1 in: '00. Matt Kenseth 1 in: '03. Tony Stewart 1 in: '05. Brad Keselowski 1 in: '12. Martin Truex Jr. 1 in: 17. 542. Marik posted: 01.06.2020 - 4:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The UPS looks pretty cool. Did you invent it or something? Regardless, in #541 it looks like Rusty Wallace and Bobby Allison didn't win one under that statistic. Darrell Waltrip only had one. Interesting. 543. PCRF0006 posted: 01.07.2020 - 7:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Timmy Hill's Homestead sponsor is misspelled. Should be: Generx Generators / FixMyGen.com Source: https://generxgenerators.com/ 544. Pancakes posted: 01.08.2020 - 7:34 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Parody, Parity. I did not know you had to me a English wiz to be a NASCAR fan. Hell you guys are lucky I can spell and use a computer halfway decent. I never went past 10th grade and I had kids already out of college and grandkids using a computer before I ever touched a computer. 545. Canadianfan posted: 01.09.2020 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) On the MRN Sunday Money podcast, Corey LaJoie says the rear spoiler will be a little less than 3 inches (much like the 2018 rear spoiler) for the 750hp tracks (shorter tracks/road courses). NASCAR hasn't said anything officially. 546. JSPorts posted: 01.09.2020 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hope that's true. That would make it a lot better, I would imagine. 547. 1995-Subaru-WRX-STi posted: 01.09.2020 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) We would have had that had the teams not been so stubborn (and wrong) about wanting a "one size fits all" for every track. 548. JSPorts posted: 01.09.2020 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You're right, but you can't blame them for not wanting to spend more money when the costs are already so astronomically high. What NASCAR needs is cheaper, less aero-dependent cars. Put the racing back in the drivers' hands and make it affordable for the teams. 549. 1995-Subaru-WRX-STi posted: 01.09.2020 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ Teams are part of the reason why costs are so high. Nobody forces them too spend endless amounts of money on engineers, computer simulations and wind tunnel time. That is their choice. And we all know teams can't save money even if NASCAR wanted them too. NASCAR may have a flawed business model but the teams do too. Like I said before I am very fearful of what will happen with the Gen-7 when the teams and auto manus get hands on it. Most don't trust NASCAR.... well I don't trust those 2 parties and you shouldn't either. 550. Timothy_Eklund posted: 01.17.2020 - 12:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) With the gen 7 having a 6 speed sequential gear box, will drivers be shifting more on ovals? 551. Canadianfan posted: 01.22.2020 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A master charter sheet from Bob Pockrass. https://twitter.com/bobpockrass/status/1220059305229144065?s=21 552. racefangurl posted: 01.24.2020 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I've mostly avoided these boards in case of football talk, I HATE football. Anyone watching the 24 Hours of Daytona, when it comes? 553. Sector posted: 01.27.2020 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) #552, no one talked football until you brought it up. Also to note; Kurt Busch won the 2017 Daytona 500, the first race as Monster Energy was the series sponsor. Monster Energy was also the sponsor for Kurt Busch. At the final race of 2019, as the series sponsor, Kyle Busch won the finale as well as the championship. Monster Energy sponsored Kyle Busch with the #54 car in the Xfinity series from 2012 through 2015 as well. With Monster Energy as the Cup series sponsor, and the history of sponsor the drivers themselves, it started and ended with the Busch brothers winning the grandest event of stock car racing and with the championship. 554. Sector posted: 01.28.2020 - 7:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #553 I forgot to mention in the post that this is the final race for the Monster Energy as the series sponsor for the reason for stating the Busch brothers' accomplishments. 555. Canadianfan posted: 01.28.2020 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) A lot to unpack today. From Jim Utter: #NASCAR will be taking more cars back to its R&D Center after races this season to ensure teams are adhering to new parts/development rules. Goal is still not to issue penalties from the R&D reviews. From Lee Spencer: Scott Miller confirms that #NASCAR discussed four stages but the industry decided that wasn't the way to go. (They are looking at it for 2021.) From Bob Pockrass: Stages in 2020 will be more split into thirds with final stage just a little bit longer ... For instance, Daytona 500 will be 65-65-70. From Jim Utter: #NASCAR will return to its original inclement weather policy - a race will be completed at the end of Stage 2 OR after halfway point of the race - whichever comes first. #NASCAR says will start two-car tests of 2021 car in March. Won't see more than two cars in a test until second half of 2020 (August). From Bob Pockrass: NASCAR says they have an meeting with manufacturers (current and potential) tomorrow to discuss a timeline for possible new engine in 2023. Any electrification is 2022 at the earliest. 556. Mile501 posted: 01.28.2020 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) So if a race were to be called after halfway but before the end of stage 2, a whole set of stage points would not be given out. That doesn't seem quite right to me, and I don't believe NASCAR has ever put itself in that type of situation before. 557. Canadianfan posted: 01.28.2020 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @556 Pockrass asked this question. Yes. Just asked this and was told that if the race ends at the halfway point, that would be considered the end of Stage 2 and the end of the race with points awarded accordingly. 558. ScottB posted: 01.28.2020 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Interesting. If they are going to treat a race as a completed event when it's called for weather, I guess it does make more sense than not awarding those stage points, but both options seem a bit awkward to me. Can we just cross our fingers and hope that doesn't happen? 559. ScottB posted: 01.28.2020 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That 2023 engine package is going to be an extremely important discussion. 560. Canadianfan posted: 01.28.2020 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @558 I would've preferred to the end of stage 2 because that would guarantee us ~65% completion of all races in case of weather. 561. Anonymous posted: 01.28.2020 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Four stages, lol. I don't think any organization in the history of humankind has ever doubled-down on their bad decisions as hard as NASCAR does. 562. Corey posted: 01.28.2020 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @555 For the stages lengths, you mean a bit "longer" With the number of laps for the stage breaks, this will make the potentially longest green flags runs come in the first stage for some tracks. 563. Tarheel posted: 01.28.2020 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Adding another stage is a terrible idea, and if they are going to have stages I'd like to see the final part of the race be the longest uninterrupted segment. As it stands, they definitely need to only have one stage break in the truck Series because they're so short. They also need to find a way to make the stage ending caution periods shorter or just not count the laps that they're under caution. 564. Tide1732 posted: 01.28.2020 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) MENCS could be a serious risk to downsize the spots for 38 in 2022 565. Underdogfan3 posted: 01.28.2020 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @563 Great Idea! @564 Why? It's fine the way it is. 39-40 is great. I personally don't like DNQ's every race b/c I feel bad for the driver and team. They should open the truck up to 34 and Xfinity back to 38 if you ask me (Maybe 37, but not 36). 566. possum posted: 01.28.2020 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) @555 - there's a fairly consistant message in all that - namely that NASCAR still doesn't have a clue why interest in NASCAR has been and is declining. @559 - totally agree. Unfortunately, if history is any guide NASCAR will make a total mess of it, and need to make a major revision a year later (anyone remember wings on the CoT?). @563 - not counting laps under caution at the stage breaks is the obvious right way to do it. By the same token, laps under yellow after a red flag shouldn't be counted. If the folks running NASCAR actually had much experience of racing, they'd be guided by how the short tracks have handled things like that (I'm hoping we see Ben Kennedy take more of a leadership role. NASCAR needs someone with the racing background that Brian France and Mike Helton lacked). 567. Canadianfan posted: 01.29.2020 - 1:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) From Pockrass: It looks like 42-43 cars for Daytona 500. The 36 charter cars. Open cars: 96-Suarez(Gaunt), 62-Gaughan(Beard), 54-Yeley(RWR, which hasn't said who will be in its 52 charter car), 16-Haley(Kaulig), 66-THill(CarlLong), 49-Finchum (CarlLong), 27-TBA(Premium) 568. Wil posted: 01.29.2020 - 1:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The four stages idea is so shockingly terrible that it makes me worry about the future. That may sound dramatic, but if ideas that atrocious are being discussed, how should we have confidence in Nascar's decision makers? 569. Mile501 posted: 01.29.2020 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @568 - The core fan base hasn't had much confidence in NASCAR's decisions since at least 2004, which is obviously a big part of the problem. Why stop at 4 stages? Why not split each race into 10 stages (20-50 lap sprint races depending on the track) at each track and never have long runs or green flag pit stops ever again? As I continue to gradually work my way through old 2001 races, re-watching them all in their entirety, the difference is striking. Races didn't always have exciting finishes and sometimes the field did get stretched out a lot. But without all these gimmicks, there was more natural unpredictability, and drivers had to race harder every lap of every race. 570. Sector posted: 01.29.2020 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) NASCAR is trying way to hard to change things up. The stages doesn't need changing (except eliminating the "caution break," and why do we need more than 2 stages anyway?). NASCAR is trying hard to separate themselves as a natural racing series and more as a comedy central (that's not the positive laughing environment) show among the core fans. But, as we all continue to collect Playoff points, stage points and the elimination Playoffs this is all trending for NASCAR. 571. Wil posted: 01.29.2020 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) @569 Disagree with your last point, agree with the rest. Drivers have to race harder now than they did when there were no stages, because stage points are so critical. Back then, it was common for guys like Mark Martin and Terry Labonte to "find a little pocket" (as DW called it) to ride around in for the first 300 miles of a race. 572. JSPorts posted: 01.29.2020 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) But they also know when they're going to get a yellow, so they can plan for that. The first car a lap down gets back on the lead lap. It's easier to luck into a win than it used to be, but we still don't see a very wide range of winners because the top teams are just so dominant at this point. 573. Tarheel posted: 01.29.2020 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I wouldn't say they were racing harder in and around 2001, but I would say they were working harder in the car because the card weren't as aerodynamically stable as they are now, and less aero stability separates the good from the great, and makes for better racing IMO. 574. possum posted: 01.29.2020 - 9:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @568 - confidence in NASCAR? "I say you must be joking son..." @569 - you do know things had already been going downhill for a while by 2001, right? The late 80's, early 90's was the golden era. @573 - depends on where in the field you are. With today's aero, most of the time drivers aren't working harder because there's no point. You get within a certain distance of another car and you can't move closer, whatever you do. A ways back in the field, where the air's turbulent, yeah, guys are probably working harder than they used to. 575. 1995-Subaru-WRX-Sti posted: 01.29.2020 - 11:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Scott Miller confirms that #NASCAR discussed four stages but the industry decided that wasn't the way to go. (They are looking at it for 2021.)" There is one word in this that I want too point too everyone. "Industry." NASCAR isn't the only one this is "industry" there are also "partners" like sponsers, TV higher ups and teams. Your mileage will vary. 576. Corey posted: 01.29.2020 - 11:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @574 Going downhill by 2001? You're gonna need to explain that one as things were still on the upswing in the late 90's early 2000's. 577. Sector posted: 01.30.2020 - 12:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The racing has been great up until when the Car of Tomorrow came full time in 2008. Topped with Kyle Busch winning all the races in all three national series and Jimmie Johnson winning his second of five straight championships after Gordon had a great season and Chase in 2007, things were changing for the worse then. The Chase era from 2004-2007 were still good. 578. Mile501 posted: 01.30.2020 - 5:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @571 - You're right to an extent, but in another sense, drivers had to race harder because they never knew whether or not another caution might come out, and they wanted to avoid losing a lap because it was much harder to get a lap back. I'm not convinced that stage racing really makes drivers race a whole lot harder than they otherwise would. For most of the season, those extra points don't really matter anyway, unless you're around 16th in points without a win. 579. Wil posted: 01.30.2020 - 10:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @578 I think we're both right. In the old Nascar guys who were at the tail of the lead lap would be fighting like crazy, while the top 10-15 would be content to ride around. In the new Nascar, it's easier to get a lap back so the tail end of the lead lap takes it easier, while the top 10-15 races hard, fighting for stage points. 580. Jimmie4life posted: 01.30.2020 - 10:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR has been on a decline since 2006, whenever the switch to ESPN occured, and the chase added 2 more drivers. TNT also replacing NBC saw a decline in ratings, and the COT also turned away fans from the "stock car" aspect. NASCAR was fine during the first few years of the chase, but the 2007 season was a season that split the fanbase up. 581. 1995-Subaru-WRX-Sti posted: 01.30.2020 - 1:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ That was 2007. Memory serves me that everyone was happy too have ESPN back. Until the their coverage was proven too be god awful in a short amount of time. And the Gen 5 car wasn't that bad. The Gen 4 was nicknamed the "Twisted Sister" for a reason. Didn't look like a stock car either toward the end. Again your mileage will vary. 582. NewJack posted: 01.30.2020 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From back in the days when I'd watch to now. (1990 Daytona 500 was my first TV race.) I'd say the real decline occurred in the 2006 season. In 2004, we had the Chase, and fans hated it, but it actually was a good Chase. So people tuned in again to see if it could happen again. It didn't, but a popular driver won the title, (Tony Stewart) and the Chase didn't alter the outcome as far as people's perceptions were concerned. 2006 was the first year Jimmie Johnson won, and the Chase made the points not as tight as they would have been had the Chase not existed. And it went from there, with 2007 Jeff Gordon having a supremely dominant year, but Jimmie Johnson having a dominant 10 race stretch. Think that turned out to be the final dagger for many of the old time fans. 583. Sector posted: 01.30.2020 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 2007 was unique due to the fact that they ran two different cars, the Gen 4 & Gen 5. I thought it was a really good season but when the COT came full time in 2008 it proved to be rather horrendous as it was in 2007. Granted the COT were ugly looking. 2006 was a solid year in my opinion. Kasey Kahne had his best year, a very popular driver that year. Kevin Harvick was a winning machine for his only year at RCR, Denny Hamlin, a hotshot rookie, made some noise and after a struggling 2005 season, two of the most popular drivers were back in the Chase while Tony Stewart failed, but Stewart went on fire the final 2 of 4 races to show he will not be ignored. Then we've got round 2 of Jimmie Johnson vs Matt Kenseth. In the regular season championship Jimmie Johnson and Matt Kenseth were utterly close, while the Chase took that away they still finished 1-2. 2006 wasn't really a dominant season for Jimmie as we will see from 2007-2010 & 2013, it was a very solid first championship for a new guy. #582 Honestly, except the two extra wins, Jimmie Johnson truly didn't have that much better of a Chase than Gordon in 2007. They were pretty much even. 584. GoRC10 posted: 01.30.2020 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @581 Yes, I'll think you'll find quite a few comments of "Good riddance to NBC, can't wait to have ESPN back" scattered through the second half races of 2006. Too bad ESPN sucked harder than a sorority girl. 585. Wil posted: 01.31.2020 - 12:22 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) @583 I agree, the COT was both ugly and uninspiring in racing action. It was a huge blow to Nascar. However, they could point to Michael McDowell walking away from his 2008 Texas qualifying crash as proof for why the COT's safety was worth it. Maybe McDowell isn't still racing with us today if it was the old car, who knows. But in totality, I wish the COT was never a thing. 586. LarsonDixonLine posted: 01.31.2020 - 7:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @584 It still amazes me to this day that McDowell walked out of that accident completely uninjured, gives me chills still when I see replays. I agree that the COT sucked and thankfully we've moved on from that generation, but at least it helped dramatically improve driver safety. It's a shame it took such a dramatic hit on nascar. 587. 1995-Subaru-WRX-Sti posted: 01.31.2020 - 1:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I would point too Elliot Sadlers crash Pocono in 2010 too prove the point about the Gen 5 safety advances. Mcdowells crash was bad but Sadlers was far worse. His wreck removed the engine from his car.. literally. And that Pocono didn't have all the advancements it does now. "Too bad ESPN sucked harder than a sorority girl." I think that was purpose. NASCAR (Bill France Jr. mostly) gave ESPN the finger back in 2000 and toke the money ran over too FOX. Though I understand why NASCAR ditched NBC because of the whole thing Martinsville with 3 people dressed up too try make NASCAR fans look bad or something. Can not remember for the life of me. 588. Corey posted: 02.04.2020 - 1:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's almost time. Cars will be on track this weekend and "Door Bumper Clear" just released their latest podcast to start their fifth season. 589. JSPorts posted: 02.04.2020 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 2020 NASCAR CUP SERIES PREDICTIONS Results Daytona 500 (Daytona): Chase Elliott Pennzoil 400 Presented by Jiffy Lube (Las Vegas): Joey Logano Auto Club 400 (Fontana): Jimmie Johnson FanShield 500 (Phoenix): Denny Hamlin Folds of Honor QuikTrip 500 (Atlanta): Erik Jones Dixie Vodka 400 (Homestead): Kyle Busch O'Reilly Auto Parts 500 (Fort Worth): Denny Hamlin (2) Food City 500 (Bristol): Joey Logano (2) Toyota Owners 400 (Richmond): Joey Logano (3) GEICO 500 (Talladega): Jimmie Johnson (2) Dover 400 (Dover): Denny Hamlin (3) Martinsville 500 (Martinsville): Denny Hamlin (4) Coca-Cola 600 (Charlotte): Martin Truex, Jr. Kansas 400 (Kansas): Kyle Busch (2) FireKeepers Casino 400 (Michigan): Ryan Blaney Toyota / Save Mart 350 (Sonoma): Clint Bowyer Chicagoland 400 (Chicago): Joey Logano (4) Kids Free 325 (Pocono): Denny Hamlin (5) Worry-Free Weather Guarantee 350 (Pocono): Denny Hamlin (6) Big Machine Vodka 400 at the Brickyard (Indianapolis): Denny Hamlin (7) Quaker State 400 Presented by Walmart (Kentucky): Kyle Busch (3) Foxwoods Resort Casino 301 (Loudon): Denny Hamlin (8) Consumers Energy 400 (Michigan): Martin Truex, Jr. (2) Go Bowling at the Glen (Watkins Glen): Erik Jones (2) Drydene 400 (Dover): Jimmie Johnson (3) Coke Zero Sugar 400 (Daytona): Denny Hamlin (9) Regular-Season Champion: Denny Hamlin Southern 500 (Darlington): Erik Jones (3) Federated Auto Parts 400 (Richmond): Denny Hamlin (10) Bass Pro Shops NRA Night Race (Bristol): Denny Hamlin (11) Eliminated: Clint Bowyer, William Byron, Aric Almirola & Alex Bowman South Point 400 (Las Vegas): Joey Logano (5) Alabama 500 (Talladega): Clint Bowyer (2) Bank of America Roval 400 (Charlotte (Road)): Alex Bowman Eliminated: Martin Truex, Jr., Ryan Newman, Kyle Larson & Erik Jones Hollywood Casino 400 (Kansas): Jimmie Johnson (4) Texas 500 (Fort Worth): Erik Jones (4) Martinsville 500 (Martinsville): Denny Hamlin (12) Eliminated: Joey Logano, Kevin Harvick, Brad Keselowski & Ryan Blaney Cup Series Championship (Phoenix): Denny Hamlin (13) Champion: Denny Hamlin (1st championship) Manufacturer's Champion: Toyota (22 wins) Rookie of the Year: Tyler Reddick (18th in points) Standings (Rank: Driver, Wins/Top 5s/Top 10s) 1st: Denny Hamlin, 13/24/30 2nd: Kyle Busch, 3/20/31 3rd: Jimmie Johnson, 4/15/24 4th: Chase Elliott, 1/14/26 5th: Joey Logano, 5/17/29 6th: Kevin Harvick, 0/7/22 7th: Ryan Blaney, 1/13/28 8th: Clint Bowyer, 2/5/20 9th: Brad Keselowski, 0/14/24 10th: Martin Truex, Jr., 2/8/23 11th: Erik Jones, 4/11/20 12th: William Byron, 0/7/19 13th: Ryan Newman, 0/2/7 14th: Kyle Larson, 0/4/10 15th: Alex Bowman, 1/4/7 16th: Aric Almirola, 0/2/8 17th: Kurt Busch, 0/2/7 18th: Tyler Reddick (R), 0/6/10 19th: Austin Dillon, 0/1/6 20th: Cole Custer (R), 0/1/4 21st: Chris Buescher, 0/0/0 22nd: Ricky Stenhouse, Jr., 0/1/2 23rd: Christopher Bell (R), 0/0/0 24th: Matt DiBenedetto, 0/0/0 25th: Ryan Preece, 0/1/1 26th: Ty Dillon, 0/0/0 27th: Bubba Wallace, 0/0/1 28th: Daniel Suarez, 0/0/0 29th: Michael McDowell, 0/0/0 30th: John Hunter Nemechek (R), 0/0/0 31st: Brennan Poole (R), 0/0/0 32nd: Corey LaJoie, 0/0/0 33rd: Reed Sorenson, 0/0/0 34th: Quin Houff (R), 0/0/0 35th: J.J. Yeley, 0/0/0 36th: Brendan Gaughan, 0/1/1 37th: Joey Gase, 0/0/0 38th: Timmy Hill, 0/0/0 39th: David Ragan, 0/0/0 590. Anonymous posted: 02.04.2020 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @589 LMAO, those are some of the most ridiculpus predictions I've ever read. Hamlin winning 13 TIMES?! Jimmie Johnson winning 4?! 591. Anonymous posted: 02.04.2020 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Calling it now, Buescher wins a plate race or two and DiBurrito wins at Bristol and possibly a road course. 592. Tyson posted: 02.04.2020 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If anybody, let alone Denny Hamlin, wins anywhere close to 13 races this year, I'll eat my hat. Not happening. Jimmie Johnson winning four times, Keselowski winning none and Christopher Bell scoring zero top-10s? Bold, yet honestly laughable predictions. 593. GoPM21 posted: 02.04.2020 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Matty D and Bell with 0 top 10s? Take a hike with Tide and get lost, troll. 594. Corey posted: 02.04.2020 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You have Kevin Harvick going winless and earning only 7 top 5's all year? Also You have Tyler Reddick going 0/6/10 in an RCR car while Custer is 0/1/4 at SHR and Bell is 0/0/0 at Leavine team that will be getting more Toyota support. Dibendetto getting 0 Top 10's with Penske equipment while all the Penske cars will be getting 24+ is also a head scratcher. Erik Jones with more wins then Kyle Busch and Kyle Larson mustering only 10 top 10's are a few other predictions that I don't think will come true. On a positive note, I don't entirely disagree with Truex. Although I think he'll have more Top 5's. 595. Sector posted: 02.04.2020 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I take it JSports is just trying to start a conversation to spice things up, however no way in hell Denny Hamlin wins 13 times. If anyone, Kyle Busch would be the one to reach it, or Kevin Harvick. Martin Truex, Jr is a wild card now that he doesn't have Cole Pearn, with this Homestead race being crew chief Cole Pearn's final race to spend time with family. Honestly, I could see Martin and Cole hit 10 wins in their second year at Joe Gibbs Racing had Cole went another year as crew chief 2020. Denny was great in 2019, but he's a close third behind Kyle Busch (Kyle with 8.9 average finish to Denny's 9.5) and Martin Truex, Jr (Martin with 7 wins to Denny's 6). The two times Denny has been in the Final Four he has been 3rd (7th place finish in 2014) & 4th (10th place finish in 2019). Denny led late in the race until Kevin Harvick passed him in 2014 too. While Denny is very talented, unfortunately when it comes to the word "championship" that is something he struggles to step it up, unlike Kyle Busch here who also unperformed during the Playoffs. 596. Tide1732 posted: 02.04.2020 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Michael McDowell can finally get his first Cup runner-up Will be in Daytona or Talladega. 597. SweetRich posted: 02.29.2020 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The commentators for the race were Rick Allen, Jeff Burton, Steve Letarte and Dale Earnhardt Jr. The pit road reporters were Dave Burns, Marty Snider, Kelli Stavast and Parker Kligerman. 598. JSPorts posted: 07.22.2020 - 12:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I thought it would be interesting to see which drivers had been helped & hurt most by NASCAR's playoff system. I calculated how many positions in the final standings each driver had gained or lost from the full-season points to the playoffs from 2004-2019. Here were the results (higher numbers mean a driver has been helped more by the playoffs; lower numbers mean they've been hurt more.) 1st: Kasey Kahne, +13 2nd: Aric Almirola & Chris Buescher, +12 4th: Denny Hamlin, +11 5th: Austin Dillon, +9 6th: Ryan Newman, +8 7th: A.J. Allmendinger & Kurt Busch, +7 9th: Mark Martin, +6 10th: Clint Bowyer & Jeremy Mayfield, +5 12th: Chase Elliott & Matt Kenseth, +4 14th: Kyle Busch & Ricky Stenhouse, Jr., +3 16th: Jimmie Johnson, Elliott Sadler, Tony Stewart & Brian Vickers, +1 20th: William Byron, Carl Edwards & Juan Pablo Montoya, 0 23rd: Ryan Blaney, Alex Bowman, Jeff Burton, Dale Jarrett, Bobby Labonte, Casey Mears, David Reutimann & Martin Truex, Jr., -1 31st: Marcos Ambrose, Trevor Bayne, Greg Biffle, Danica Patrick & Rusty Wallace, -2 36th: Jeff Gordon & Daniel Suarez, -3 38th: Paul Menard, -5 39th: Erik Jones, -7 40th: Joey Logano, -9 41st: Kevin Harvick, -10 42nd: Kyle Larson, -11 43rd: Brad Keselowski, -14 44th: Jamie McMurray, -16 45th: Dale Earnhardt, Jr., -17 Also, here are the drivers who have won more championships with the playoffs vs. the old system since 2004: Jimmie Johnson: 7 with playoffs, 3 without playoffs (+4) Kurt Busch: 1 with playoffs, 0 without playoffs (+1) Joey Logano: 1 with playoffs, 0 without playoffs (+1) Tony Stewart: 2 with playoffs, 1 without playoffs (+1) Kyle Busch: 2 with playoffs, 2 without playoffs (0) Brad Keselowski: 1 with playoffs, 1 without playoffs (0) Martin Truex, Jr.: 1 with playoffs, 1 without playoffs (0) Carl Edwards: 0 with playoffs, 2 without playoffs (-2) Kevin Harvick: 1 with playoffs, 3 without playoffs (-2) Jeff Gordon: 0 with playoffs, 3 without playoffs (-3) 599. ThatGuy posted: 07.22.2020 - 12:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @598 so without counting Kyle Busch's 2015, he'd be -16 right? I'm quite surprised to see everyone 38th-45th. McMurray & Jr have been negatively effected the most? Wow. Although I can remember some instances it helped Jeff Gordon finish higher, I feel like his number should be lower. Could've been the champ in '04, '07, and '14 600. JSPorts posted: 07.22.2020 - 12:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's correct about Busch. I think one reason Gordon wasn't that low was that, when he didn't win those championships, he usually finished 2nd. He didn't have huge drop years like Jr's 2014 & 2015 seasons. 601. JSPorts posted: 07.22.2020 - 1:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) McMurray got hurt a lot in 2 years: 2004 & 2014. Those years, he ended up top-11 in full-season points but didn't make the playoffs. 602. PsychoBilly posted: 07.22.2020 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @598: Sooo, without the season ending gimmick called the chase/play-off/whatever Hendrick would still have a 7-time :-D 603. Sector posted: 07.22.2020 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) #602 That's why with the different eras and two dominant drivers (Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon), it's very interesting to compare to two. Gordon scored the most points 7 times, Johnson 3. Johnson won the championship 7 times, Gordon 4. Johnson is behind Gordon by one, thus that's how I determine who is higher on the all time great chart. Plus, the 93-83 wins between the two puts Gordon at an advantage as well. 604. Sector posted: 07.22.2020 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm looking at Kevin Harvick and it makes sense. Due to the Chase/Playoffs, at least since 2010, it doesn't fully showcase his wild consistency. I know 2016 on its own is -7, in which he scored the most points, otherwise besides 2012 (where he would've been 7th without the Chase) he has finished on the podium every. Single. Season from 2010-2019 (SIX 3rd's, one 2nd and one 1st). Besides 2014 (5th without Playoffs but won the championship thanks to the Playoffs), and 2012 as mentioned in my last paragraph, Kevin still finishes in podium every single year. Even in 2020, he's looking to finish 1st without the Playoffs for the FOURTH time in his career if he keeps his momentum going. Only three drivers (Richard Petty, Dale Earnhardt & Jeff Gordon) have done so more than three times. Extremely elite company. It's a shame how his legacy is somewhat tarnished and overlooked as I've been saying for a several years now. 605. JSPorts posted: 08.29.2020 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series winners (2017-2019): 1st: Martin Truex, Jr., 19 2nd: Kyle Busch, 18 3rd: Kevin Harvick, 14 4th: Brad Keselowski, 9 5th: Denny Hamlin, 8 6th: Chase Elliott & Joey Logano, 6 8th: Kyle Larson, 5 9th: Ryan Blaney, Kurt Busch & Jimmie Johnson, 3 606. rm posted: 11.14.2020 - 12:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Your useless stat of the race: the Cup series race speed record at Homestead was broken in this race, the third year in a row that one of the top-three series set a new record at Homestead following the Trucks in 2017 and Xfinity in 2018. All three races that set the new track record(s) were run on November 17th. 11 and 17 are among the winningest numbers in NASCAR history...no wonder it's a good day to go fast! 607. DI9_ForLife posted: 12.22.2020 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This would've been an amazing championship battle if the playoffs weren't instituted. 5 drivers would've been mathematically eligible to win the championship, 3 of which were incredibly close, Kyle Busch, Kevin Harvick and Joey Logano. If Harvick had finished second to KB, Busch would've been the benefactor of a tiebreaker where he won more races than Harvick on the year (Busch won 5 to Harvick's 4). 608. TTaylor944 posted: 12.22.2020 - 10:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't know who needs to hear this, actually, it's most of the people that frequent this site, but you can't just tally the points up and say that's what the points would be without a playoff system. Teams regularly adjust their strategy during races or experiment with setups based on whether or not they have secured a playoff position already. Also, you're imagine a points system that never existed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: