|| *Comments on the 2020 YellaWood 500:* First Page | Previous Page | Next Page | Last Page | View All On One Page View the most recent comment | Post a comment <#post> 1. Jimmie4life posted: 09.29.2020 - 9:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) If no one else enters, it'll be the first ever NASCAR superspeedway race since the reduced field from 43 to 40 cars to have failed to make a full entry list, breaking a streak of 19 consecutive full 40 car fields. 2. William24ByronFan posted: 09.29.2020 - 9:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Probably the 7 or 78 show up. 3. RaceFanX posted: 09.29.2020 - 9:38 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) One more for the road... This is scheduled to be Brendan Gaughan's final NASCAR Cup race before he retires from auto racing, bringing down the curtain that's seen him racing in NASCAR's higher levels on a part-time or full-time basis since 1997. He'll again be at the wheel of Mark Beard's #62 Chevrolet, just as he has been since 2017 for the Cup plate races. Gaughan announced before the 2020 season began this would be his last one, initially planing to only do the plate races before they added the one-off Daytona road course event. He's got a shot at a memorable last ride, he comes into this race fresh off two top-10s at Daytona on the oval earlier in the season. 4. Mile501 posted: 09.29.2020 - 9:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not sure NASCAR's top series has ever had a short field for a superspeedway race. But because field sizes were less consistent prior to the late 1990s, it is difficult to determine that with certainty. 5. gray posted: 09.29.2020 - 9:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) i thougth id tell yall the playoff stats are wrong on the fact sheet 6. webmaster posted: 09.29.2020 - 10:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @5 Thanks for the heads-up, those stats are fixed now. 7. rm posted: 09.29.2020 - 11:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Depends on what you'd consider to be a "short field" I think. The very first Talladega race infamously saw most of the top teams protest the event and refuse to race, leading Bill France to allow the Grand American cars to enter & start the race in order to put on a show with a decent car count. And one of the other highly infamous early Talladega races, the summer race in 1974 - aka the sabotage race - didn't quite fill the grid with the 50 cars that Talladega usually started during that era. When Kyle Petty was set to make his NASCAR debut at the July Daytona race, he was guaranteed a starting spot as long as he didn't wreck due to the number of entries for the race...and sure enough he wrecked while qualifying and had to sit that one out instead. 8. Vaxen posted: 09.29.2020 - 11:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) JJ Yeley back in the #27 9. TeamDCRfan posted: 09.29.2020 - 11:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 3 He's also coming in knowing he had a shot to win this race last year. 10. William24ByronFan posted: 09.29.2020 - 11:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Justin Haley now in the 77 for Spire Motorsports. 11. Joshua posted: 09.29.2020 - 11:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmy John's is back as a sponsor for Kevin Harvick! This is only the second race that they have sponsored this year, which reminds me, what happened to them sponsoring nearly every race a few years ago? 12. PucciMan posted: 09.29.2020 - 11:38 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I was very disappointed that the field fell short of making it a full field, something you don't see everyday at the plate races. 13. JSPorts posted: 09.29.2020 - 11:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's just sad that the charter system has killed off so many of the part-time teams that used to show up to races like this (as well as several full-time teams who could get good runs at these tracks.) Qualifying at super speedways used to be must-watch, but now it's not even worth tuning in. 14. Mile501 posted: 09.29.2020 - 11:57 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I see people blaming the charter system for shorter fields all the time, and while that is probably one factor, I think the economy and the ever-rising costs of racing are bigger factors. Part-time and lower-budget teams were dying off before charters came about. Back in the day, it wasn't a big deal to show up and try to make a race even with a slim chance. But in modern times, it is cost-prohibitive (and of course, the smaller prize money for open teams compounds the problem). 15. Z posted: 09.29.2020 - 12:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Bit of A, bit of B. There'd be more part-time teams, but more along the lines of a pre-FT Carl Long than a Beard/pre-2020 Gaunt. I believe there'd be more teams coming & going, though - a team like Rick Ware wouldn't be protected to the extent they are w/ the increased payouts, & among new teams one or more would likely put in an increased effort. There's no incentive to perform now though, 'cause the money teams previously had to work for is automatically theirs now, & all the x3yr rule takes is some Charter shuffling here & there. 16. Mile501 posted: 09.29.2020 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @15 "There's no incentive to perform now though..." Right, I think that's the bigger issue with the charters. Year after year we continue to see the Premium/Rick Ware/etc. group growing larger at the back, while it's hard for a team like Gaunt Brothers to improve and expand. 17. CanterburySoup1983 posted: 09.29.2020 - 1:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The reason Brendan Gaughan was retiring after this season was because he had no desire to drive the new gencar. However, with that pushed back to 2022, I wonder if he is reconsidering coming back for the plate reaches next season. I sure hope so 18. JSPorts posted: 09.29.2020 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'd love to see him try to drive all the plate races, road courses & Las Vegas races in the top 3 series next year with RCR equipment, as a final send-off where he could be pretty competitive. But I think he's probably at peace with this decision. He hasn't been the most successful driver, but he's had a great career. Over the past 24 years, Brendan has 2 championships, 18 wins & 2671 laps led in 550 starts across 5 different series. I hope that South Point remains involved in the sport after his departure. They've been a great partner in the sport. Without their investment, I'm not sure that the 62 team would survive. 19. Jimmie4life posted: 09.29.2020 - 1:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No rain in the forecast, little wind, about 70 degrees fahrenheit(21 celsius), and 500 miles of racing. it's perfect. 20. Anonymous posted: 09.29.2020 - 1:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Spire continues to screw Sorenson over. Been on the entry list originally the last 2 weeks and switched out. If he doesn't get one of the full time deals next year, I'm so unhappy. Sorenson deserves so much better. 21. DI9_ForLife posted: 09.29.2020 - 2:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cue up some Skynyrd because it's time for Talladega! A weekend I've looked forward to since Daytona ended. Considering how great the last 3 races have been there, I'm expecting no different for this weekend 22. Canadianfan posted: 09.29.2020 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From Sports Business Journal: #NASCAR plans to release its entire '21 schedule tomorrow, following several delays in recent weeks, and it is expected to be a massive shakeup from this season's schedule (@A_S12). 23. RacingDude00 posted: 09.29.2020 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't remember where but did I see something right that the walls at Talladega this week are going to be yellow :O 24. danny posted: 09.29.2020 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chicagoland out, and NASCAR ratings not good, what a surprise again, Or not really. But hey NBA and NHL and MLB will be done soon or are already right? 25. danny posted: 09.29.2020 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I knew it, Both Chicagoland and Kentucky Speedway no more races, 26. Sector posted: 09.29.2020 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #22 That'd be great so I can update the tracks and stats on my Excel project :) Kentucky didn't really have a long lifespan of Cup races if it doesn't return after 2021... Then again, it did go out with style if 2020 was its last race (Rookie Cole Custer clutched a win?). Chicago would be interesting considering Jimmie Johnson would end up being the driver to lead the most laps at the track without a win. 27. Canadianfan posted: 09.29.2020 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From reddit: Possible new tracks: Daytona Road Course (confirmed Clash) Nashville SS (confirmed) Circuit of the Americas (confirmed) Road America Nashville Street Course (Pockrass said he hasn't heard anything.) Dirt Bristol (confirmed) Indy Road Course (Some announcement at 11am.) Gateway (Pockrass said he hasn't heard anything.) Tracks possibly losing dates: Dover (confirmed) Charlotte (All Star) Texas (confirmed) Chicago (confirmed) Kentucky (confirmed) Michigan Other rumored changes: Homestead moves to the second race Darlington gets another race Atlanta gets another race West coast swing pushed back later in spring All star race moves mid-week in the summer IndyCar/NASCAR double header in Nashville and/or Texas 28. Canadianfan posted: 09.30.2020 - 12:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) From Motorsport: Proposed 2021 Cup Series schedule Feb. 14 | Daytona (Fla.) International Speedway Feb. 21 | Homestead-Miami (Fla.) Speedway Feb. 28 | Auto Club (Calif.) Speedway March 7 | Las Vegas (Nev.) Motor Speedway March 14 | Phoenix (Ariz.) Raceway March 21 | Atlanta (Ga.) Motor Speedway March 28 | Bristol (Tenn.) Motor Speedway (dirt) April 4 | Easter April 10 | Martinsville (Va.) Speedway April 18 | Richmond (Va.) Raceway April 25 | Talladega (Ala.) Superspeedway May 2 | Kansas Speedway May 9 | Darlington (S.C.) Raceway May 16 | Dover (Del.) International Speedway May 23 | Circuit of the Americas (COTA) May 30 | Charlotte Motor Speedway June 6 | Sonoma (Calif.) Raceway June 13 | All-Star Race (Texas Motor Speedway) June 20 | Nashville (Tenn.) Superspeedway June 26-27 | Pocono (Pa.) Raceway (doubleheader) July 4 | Road America July 11 | Atlanta Motor Speedway July 18 | New Hampshire Motor Speedway July 25 | Off Weekend (Olympics) August 1 | Off Weekend (Olympics) August 8 | Watkins Glen (N.Y.) International August 15 | Indianapolis Motor Speedway Road Course August 22 | Michigan International Speedway August 28 | Daytona International Speedway Sept. 5 | Darlington Raceway Sept. 11 | Richmond Raceway Sept. 18 | Bristol Motor Speedway Sept. 26 | Las Vegas Motor Speedway Oct. 3 | Talladega Superspeedway Oct. 10 | Charlotte Roval Oct. 17 | Texas Motor Speedway Oct. 24 | Kansas Speedway Oct. 31 | Martinsville Speedway Nov. 7 | Phoenix Raceway 29. George_Costanza posted: 09.30.2020 - 2:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I really want to see some new ovals. So far, there's only one new oval on the schedule. 30. George_Costanza posted: 09.30.2020 - 2:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I really want Gateway on the schedule. Seems odd that there will be three new road courses, but only one new oval. 31. NASCARfan05 posted: 09.30.2020 - 7:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 28, that looks like a great schedule, the only bad part is Bristol losing a paved race while Kansas and Las Vegas both keep 2 dates for some reason Hopefully in the future we can just get rid of those 2 tracks altogether 32. CamD09 posted: 09.30.2020 - 7:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @28 So they won't race at the Brickyard oval next year or do they only want Indycar to race the oval in May? 33. Anonymous posted: 09.30.2020 - 8:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @31 they should keep both kansas, have one las vegas and with that use the other date for another track like maybe kentucky or another short track. Overall I love the 2021 schedule just wish they kept Indy Oval 34. Sector posted: 09.30.2020 - 9:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #28 No Gateway lol... Wonder why they decided to ditch the Indianapolis oval... Guess what guys... it's not as big of a crown jewel as we thought after all!!!!! ;) Denny Hamlin might have an opinion about not able to win there now. So we will have 4 inaugural races next year! 35. Jimmie4life posted: 09.30.2020 - 9:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Since 2011, There has been 7 different sponsors for the fall Talladega race: Good Sam Camping World GEICO Hellmann's Alabama 1000Bulbs.com and now YellaWood. Only twice has the same sponsor kept the race name in back to back races: Good Sam and 1000Bulbs.com. Why has this race switched sponsors so often? It's Talladega. Sponsors love to sponsor Superspeedways because *usually* big crowds and big viewership. 36. Mile501 posted: 09.30.2020 - 9:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I want to be careful not to sound negative here, because NASCAR is making more schedule changes than they've made since the early 1970s, and I applaud them for that. The new road courses and the second visit to Darlington are great news! But based on how everyone is talking, I was expecting to see a lot more significant changes. I'm not sure the new schedule quite lives up to the hype. There are only 5 significant schedule changes: - Darlington gets a second date in place of Michigan - COTA is added in place of one Texas race - Nashville is added in place of one Dover race - Road America is added in place of Chicago - Atlanta gets a second date in place of Kentucky Plus these minor changes: - Homestead moved to February - Bristol spring race switching to dirt - Indianapolis switching to the road course - and among non-point races, the All-Star Race moves to Texas The other 28 point races remain in a similar place on the schedule to where they already were, including all 10 playoff races. 2021 will mark the 50th consecutive season that 10 of these races have remained at a similar place on the schedule (since 1972, the beginning of the modern era). 37. Jimmie4life posted: 09.30.2020 - 9:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) And talking about the schedule, I'm fine with it. I think having about 6 or 7 road courses is about enough. 2 felt empty. 3 feels empty still. Having over 7 would be a bit too much. Because it's like superspeedways: They are different from the standard oval race. Having too many would be a bit cramped, and too little is lacking. Having that right balance IMO would be good for consistent viewers of the race and newer viewers who are used to the stereotype "Left Turn" being dropped. 38. Jimmie4life posted: 09.30.2020 - 9:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @36 I think the hype was all about the whole new tracks added to the schedule, or returning tracks from different series. People are excited to see new tracks and are hungry for better racing. I mean, from 2002 to noq, no new tracks were added and several tracks were dropped, and even then, NASCAR's newest cup track had been around since 2000, and the Charlotte Roval was built on the track in Charlotte that has been around since 1960. The newest track added to NASCAR's schedule as in being new to the whole of NASCAR or just created was Kansas in 2001. The sport is lacking variety. I think the hype has good reason to be made. 39. Vaxen posted: 09.30.2020 - 10:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cody Ware is listed in the 27 on NASCAR's website. Since JJ Yeley is running full time, maybe he could fill the 40th spot? 40. ScottB posted: 09.30.2020 - 10:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 36- I consider the switch to the Indy road course to be in the major change category (and a major improvement). 28- I see two off weekends for the Olympics in 2021. Curious how that will be handled in 2022. Maybe just moving up a couple of the events to fill that gap and ending the season earlier, which has been mentioned as a goal? OVerall, I like the the schedule, it's a step in the right direction. 41. JB posted: 09.30.2020 - 10:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @39, we are missing the 78 on the entry list so that may actually be possible. 42. JSPorts posted: 09.30.2020 - 11:02 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I think the schedule changes NASCAR's made here is a great sign of progress. There's still some more changes I'd like to see, but steps are being made in the right direction. I think it's awesome that there will be a dirt race for the first time in 50 years, even if it's not on a real dirt track. I understand why they're doing that, because normal dirt tracks probably aren't up to NASCAR's safety standards. I also love the addition of more road courses. I am sad that Chicagoland is off the schedule, because that track produced some of the best racing on a 1.5-miler. I won't miss Kentucky. I also wish more short tracks had been added, but that's something that can be addressed later. Ideally, I'd like to see a schedule at some point down the road that has roughly an equal number each of super speedways, intermediates, short tracks, road courses, street courses & dirt tracks. But this is an awesome step in the right direction. Props to NASCAR. I'm also interested to see the Xfinity & Truck schedules. I hope that they have more standalone races, and maybe events at some of the old short tracks that they used to run on. I also think it would be cool to see tracks like Chicago or Kentucky added to their schedules to replace a Kansas, Texas, etc. That way, those drivers would be getting 1.5-mile experience, but they would be unique tracks and still give NASCAR a presence in those markets. 43. anonymous posted: 09.30.2020 - 11:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here's what I've noticed about the changes. Darlington will host 2 races for the first time in 17 years Atlanta will host 2 races for the first time in 11 years Michigan will host only one race for the first time ever Sonoma and Watkins Glen return to the schedule after a 1 year absence Road America returns to the schedule after a 65 year absence A dirt race will be on the schedule after a 51 year absence Brickyard 400 moves to road course Chicagoland is not on the schedule for the second year in a row Kentucky is not on the schedule Overall, I like these changes. I was hoping to see Gateway, but maybe in 2022. 44. Canadianfan posted: 09.30.2020 - 11:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) From Bob Pockrass: I have heard NASCAR is considering as many as 28 1-day shows for Cup (pretty much line up and race) to keep teams from having to build backup cars (and therefore save costs/can wind down their inventory of the current car), but I'm not sure what the final number will be. 45. Code posted: 09.30.2020 - 11:27 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I have some mixed predictions for this week. So lets go over some that I have. Likely contenders:Pretty much every ford. Ford has without a doubt the best plate cars. Other contenders:Brendan Gaughan,Chase elliot,Hamlin,Truex,Kyle and Kurt Busch. My race win prediction is Logano. 46. Code posted: 09.30.2020 - 11:27 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Also,To back up my previous statement. Joey Logano also has the highest Driver rating here. 47. JSPorts posted: 09.30.2020 - 11:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree, I definitely expect Penske to be very strong. In the last 12 Talladega races, Penske has 8 wins & 679 laps led. 48. Mile501 posted: 09.30.2020 - 12:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @44 - While I understand the idea behind letting teams wind down their current inventory, I don't like that idea and I think we need to get back to qualifying. If they're going to use some other format to set the field, I hope it's only done a plate tracks (where qualifying doesn't matter) and maybe the 1.5 and 2-milers (where the lineup would be most likely to resemble the current points anyway). 49. Jimmie4life posted: 09.30.2020 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Stage 1: Fuel Mileage race with the Competition Yellow. Stage 2: Mostly calm until the end of the stage. Stage 3: Utter Chaos. Pretty much guaranteed. I see this being how the race goes. Doesn't matter what happens in between, this is just the surface description of what'll happen. 50. Jimmie4life posted: 09.30.2020 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Predictions for the winner: - Chase Elliott: A solid racer at Superspeedways, and when he avoids trouble, he usually finds himself battling for the win. - Denny Hamlin: 3 time Daytona 500 winner, and has won in 2020 6 times. Don't count this out as not being #7. - Kevin Harvick: 9 times winning in 2020 in 30 races. Enough Said. - Kyle Busch: Usually is up front at every Superspeedway race, but gets involved in crashes quite often. If he avoids the big wrecks, he may win his second Talladega race. - Joey Logano: 3 time Talladega winner and has won the Daytona 500 as well. Team Penske has shown the ability to dominate here at Talladega, and this looks like it won't be any different. - Brad Keselowski: Has won here 5 times, but with recent struggles at Superspeedways, we'll just have to see. 51. Jason24 posted: 09.30.2020 - 12:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan Blaney will look to make it 3 in a row at Talladega. The last time a Cup driver got 3 in a row at Talladega was 2002 when Dale Earnhardt Jr did it. He ended up winning 4 in a row the following year. 52. JSPorts posted: 09.30.2020 - 12:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Penske trio of Keselowski, Logano & Blaney have a combined 10 wins at Talladega. They rank 1st, 2nd & T-3rd among active drivers in wins at this track. The other 36 drivers in the field have a combined 11 wins at Talladega. My money's on one of those guys. If it's not one of them, I think it'll likely be Elliott, Hamlin or Ky. Busch (because of the reasons mentioned by @50.) 53. JSPorts posted: 09.30.2020 - 1:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Predictions: 1st: Ryan Blaney 2nd: Kevin Harvick 3rd: Chris Buescher 4th: Bubba Wallace 5th: Ty Dillon 6th: William Byron 7th: Matt DiBenedetto 8th: Martin Truex, Jr. 9th: Jimmie Johnson (stage 2) 10th: Denny Hamlin 11th: Kurt Busch 12th: Joey Logano 13th: Aric Almirola 17th: Alex Bowman 18th: Cole Custer 20th: Clint Bowyer 21st: Brad Keselowski 24th: Justin Haley (stage 1) 27th: Chase Elliott (-1 lap) 32nd: Austin Dillon (DNF) 34th: Kyle Busch (DNF) 54. Sector posted: 09.30.2020 - 1:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #38 "I mean, from 2002 to noq, no new tracks were added and several tracks were dropped, and even then, NASCAR's newest cup track had been around since 2000, and the Charlotte Roval was built on the track in Charlotte that has been around since 1960." Of course, however NASCAR's "newest cup track" is Kentucky which has been around since 2011. ;) It's weird how both Kentucky and Chicago are both gone and that only leaves Kansas of all tracks being added since 2001. We can ignore the Charlotte ROVAL (added 2018) and Daytona road course (2020) for being new since they are still the same tracks as their oval versions. 55. Gopher88 posted: 09.30.2020 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thoughts on the schedule now that it's been officially released: -Sad to see Chicago and Kentucky go. I think Chicago and Kansas are the best two 1.5 milers (with this rules package anyway) so I'm kind of sad to see Chicago go. I would have much rather they'd taken away a Vegas date and maybe axe Kentucky. -Thumbs up for Darlington getting two races. Double thumbs up for the high horsepower package being used at Darlington and Nashville. -Don't think Atlanta needs two dates until we see what the racing there with the Next-Gen car will be like. Currently, Atlanta is the worst 1.5 miler IMO. -Thumbs up for COTA. I'm indifferent on Road America -Don't like Cup going to the Indy road course. I enjoy the Brickyard 400 and the last few events have been pretty good, would have liked to again see what the Next-Gen car races like on the oval. I already feel like the Indy road course should be just an Xfinity thing. -Glad we're not going to Gateway. Nice track, but I feel it'd be very Loudon-like and not very exciting. -Kind of happy about the Bristol dirt race. Should be neat to try, but would obviously rather we race dirt at Richmond or something. -Kansas keeps getting pushed further towards the end of the year. They're now the third to last race. Maybe we'll get a finale there someday, which I would be in favor of. Overall, I would prefer if we axed a Vegas race and kept only one Atlanta race to accommodate Kentucky and Chicago. I would prefer we keep two Bristol concrete races and send one Richmond race to Eldora or something. Also I would rather we leave off Road America for now and add Iowa instead. And keep the Brickyard on the oval ;) 56. Canadianfan posted: 09.30.2020 - 4:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From Kelly Crandall: Steve O'Donnell says this is the most change to the schedule since 1969. ?The primary goal for us was to continue to evolve the schedule. ? But we're not done. There's 2022 and beyond.? 57. DI9_ForLife posted: 09.30.2020 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I honestly like the new schedule and (unpopular opinion) but I like the idea of a dirt race on Bristol. The only things I wished for from the schedule that I didn't get were a race at Gateway and a few more Saturday night races. But all of that could still come in the future, I'm just glad we finally got some changes in the schedule 58. DI9_ForLife posted: 09.30.2020 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Predictions for this weekend: Stage One will be mostly clean but still exciting racing, I would expect no different considering the last few races at Dega. Coming to the finish, a few cars would begin to drop off into pit road, running out of fuel in a strategy-based stage. One of the Penske drivers (Blaney, probably) will win the stage as a few cars wreck behind them. Stage two will see the drivers settle in and really figure out what their cars can do. There probably will be at least one wreck in the stage but nothing too major. Chase Elliott, I think, will win the stage. The final stage will be clean until the last 30 laps, then all hell will break loose. The big one will occur with about 20 to go, taking out about 14 drivers, most of them being in the Chase field. With about 5 to go, another big wreck will happen, sending them into overtime where Aric Almirola will win as some of the field wrecks behind him. My Darkhorse driver: Ricky Stenhouse Jr. 59. NASCAREnthusiast posted: 09.30.2020 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hill is now a ford 60. William24ByronFan posted: 09.30.2020 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 66 is a Ford 61. EPIC posted: 09.30.2020 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Some of these changes are awful. Keep the cup cars on the pavement. If you want to try a dirt race at least go to an actual dirt track. And how can you get rid of the Brickyard 400? It's one of the biggest races, borderline crown jewel. I think that's a bad move 62. Halcyon posted: 09.30.2020 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I dig the new schedule for the most part. I always enjoy seeing these drivers take massive boats called stock cars around sports car courses, so the more the merrier imo. Bristol on dirt will be interesting. I've watched the sprint car races from 2000 and my biggest concern would be the sheer amount of dust that will be flying, and with at least 36 cars on track going for 500 laps how difficult will it be for the fans to see and same with the cameras for TV? Either way the shakeup is nice and I hope it works out well. Can't wait for Circuit of the Americas! 63. Code posted: 09.30.2020 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @61 To be fair, The Brickyard 400 has sucked consistently for many years. And it acn barely fill 25% capacity. In regards to the dirt race. Dirt is pretty fun, not sure why everyone is so upset about it. Its not like they are tearing up the bristol pavement. They are just covering it with dirt and removing it for the night race. 64. Canadianfan posted: 09.30.2020 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From Bob Pockrass: Steve O'Donnell says he wants race fans to see practice and qualifying, but next year will see 28 1-day Cup shows without practice and qualifying because of the unknowns as well as teams working toward the Next Gen car in 2022. 65. Chase9Fan posted: 09.30.2020 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looking at the schedule, lots of good things, some bad. They kept the dreaded Pocono double header. Pocono should lose a race. Still not sure how i feel about dirt racing, BUT willing to at least give it a shot. I hate the all star race in Texas. It's a boring track and no one in Texas even cares. Plus it's a long travel for teams for what is essentially a pointless race. Keeping it in Charlotte was just fine. Or heck go to Darlington, Bristol was great, Martinsville, Richmond. No reason at all to go to Texas. Otherwise i like they are adding more road courses. I don't even mind getting rid of the Indy oval, it just wasn't good racing anymore. 66. Chase9Fan posted: 09.30.2020 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 61. Fan attendance and lack of excitement on the track is why. I wish they would just get rid of Indy period. I agree with you about the dirt. If they want to do a dirt race, why not just go to a dirt track? I can't imagine the man power and resources it's going to take to fill BMS with dirt. And you need quite a bit of it. 67. Chase9Fan posted: 09.30.2020 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The dirt race isn't a 500 lapper, is it? No way that would work. 68. Sector posted: 09.30.2020 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) While everyone is hating on the schedule changes, I prop NASCAR for trying something new. Seems we have less 1.5 mile track and more road courses, as the fan base wanted, and the hate continues to rise. Typical NASCAR fans. 69. Anonymous posted: 09.30.2020 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 66 is a joint effort between MBM NXT and Go Fas Racing 70. Sector posted: 09.30.2020 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #64 Wait, so we'll only have 8 official poles next year while the other 28 are based on metric qualifying? #65 I'm in favor of the Indy road course simply because it's another new track for Cup history. Even if it doesn't stick for 2022 beyond and they return to oval, at least we had a race there. 71. Corey posted: 09.30.2020 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bristol will be interesting. We know Cup will be there, and a good chance that both Xfinity and Truck will be there. I'll be curious to see how the track holds up to all those cars run around it. These aren't lightweights like the WOO cars were. 72. GordonEvernham posted: 09.30.2020 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #70.....Yes. Steve O'Donnell was just on Nascar RaceHub an hour ago and talked about it all. The new tracks plus Daytona 500, Coca Cola 600 and Phoenix Championship Race will be the 8 races that will have traditional practice, qualifying and race. All other 28 races will be 1 day shows with metric qualifying like they're currently doing. He said it's because uncertainty of Covid-19 next season and to save money for all the owners. 73. Corey posted: 09.30.2020 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @72 Just listing this for clarity. The 8 are: Daytona 500 Coke 600 Phoenix Finale COTA Road America Nashville Bristol Dirt Indy RC Personally I would have done 9 and added the Southern 500. 74. possum posted: 09.30.2020 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @64 - now, it couldn't possibly be that they won't have practice next year because they want competition cautions, could it? Could O'Donnell possibly be lieing to us? @71 - there's not too many people around here who can remember Bristol as an asphalt track, which means not too many who remember the whole reason it's concrete is because the asphalt tore up and had to be repaved after every race. My guess is as a dirt track it'll either rut badly, and we'll have a plague of splitters torn off (unless NASCAR takes them off before the race); or they'll use some kind of clay that packs down as hard as concrete and as slick as ice, and we'll have a plague of cars bouncing off the outside wall. Still, we won't know until they try, so I'm fine with them having it on the schedule. 75. Jimmie4life posted: 09.30.2020 - 9:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't know why people are so worried about Bristol. NASCAR has experience with a dirt track, and they can handle it. How many splitter problems were there at Eldora over the last 7 years? Very few, if any at all. 76. Chase9Fan posted: 09.30.2020 - 9:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 68. Who's complaining. It's simple discussion. 77. JSPorts posted: 09.30.2020 - 10:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This isn't the perfect schedule, but it's definitely a step in the right direction. It's the best thing NASCAR's done in a long time, so I give them props for that. Thank you, NASCAR, for listening to the fans! 78. Anthony posted: 09.30.2020 - 11:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cody Ware now in the 27. Bet Yeley moves to the 15 unfortunately bc Poole has no sponsor listed 79. Gopher88 posted: 09.30.2020 - 11:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @68, can't speak for other people, but I know that I was just giving my opinion on the different aspects of the new schedule. Overall, I think it's all really great and I'm excited for next year! No complaints here! 80. Chase9Fan posted: 10.01.2020 - 7:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The only thing about the new schedule I really don't like is the All Star race in Texas and the Pocono double. Pocono should have 1 race at most and the All Star race in Texas makes no sense as 1. The racing there is lame, and 2. Just seems like a long way to travel and expenses for a race that really doesn't mean much in the scheme of things when there are many better tracks locally. The one tradition I always loved was the All Star weekend at Charlotte before the 600. Certain traditions I wish they would just leave alone. 81. danny posted: 10.01.2020 - 7:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) we got a pretty good schedule I see first time in months I have given them serious props. I like the Indy road course idea through I do like Indianapolis oval, but its tradition Indycars race at IMS, but also I do think NASCAR needs more practice and qualifying instead for 8 races I ask how are you gonna set field beyond this 8 invert the field? something. Thats the thing I question through i understand why given preparing new car for 2022. 82. Corey posted: 10.01.2020 - 8:36 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) @80 NASCAR tried to keeps things fair for the promoters so they all got things in return for losing dates. Dover Motorsports: Loses date at Dover, gains date at Nashville. SMI: Loses dates at Kentucky And Texas, gains one at Atlanta and will promote COTA. Likewise Texas loses a points paying race but gains the All-Star race. NASCAR: Loses dates at Chicagoland and Michigan, gains date at Darlington and will prompt Road America. To take a race from a Pocono, would mean someone else would gain and NASCAR wanted to avoid that. Besides, the doubleheader weekend for Pocono was a compromise with the track so they wouldn't lose a race. 83. Vaxen posted: 10.01.2020 - 10:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) @78 Unfortunately? Yeley has been the best RWR driver this season. What do you have against him? 84. JSPorts posted: 10.01.2020 - 10:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Statistically, Poole has been better than Yeley this season. Poole has beaten Yeley 16 times, while Yeley has beaten Poole only 12 times. Poole's average finish is 30.3, while Yeley's is 30.6. It may not be much, but I'd rather see Brennan in the 15 car. Of course, I'd rather see both those guys in the race than any of the other drivers Ware is currently putting out there (especially Cody.) 85. NASCAREnthusiast posted: 10.01.2020 - 10:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @83 He probably meant unfortunate for Poole 86. William24ByronFan posted: 10.01.2020 - 11:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 15 Sponsor is Goettl 87. Vaxen posted: 10.01.2020 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @85 Yeah guess I jumped to conclusions too quickly here. I just dislike people trash talking NASCAR drivers in general, even the less successful ones. But I can see Yeley entering in the 7 car or the 77 if Haley gets replaced. 88. danny posted: 10.01.2020 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who likes IndyCars Schedule? They got all the races but richmond and COTA back from Covid, But only 3 oval tracks, But hey I got two races on the Forth Of July for the 2nd year in row, So I got me some fireworks and road rage thanks to two road races, Mid-Ohio and Road America besides SuperSpeedways I like watching road races cause I do see road rage often more than I do at Bristol or richmond lately. 89. ScottB posted: 10.01.2020 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #84, Wasn't the #15 considered the flagship car of the RWR, being chartered and having some sponsorship money at the start of the season? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that was the case. I understand that even if true, that would only mean slightly fresher garbage for this car than the other entries. The differences between the RWR drivers in 2020 aren't very significant, except for David Ragan's one race... which was a Rick Ware entry in name only. 90. Corey posted: 10.01.2020 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @89 You're thinking of Premium Motorsports. They started with the 15 and 27 and only had the charter for the 15. Rick Ware bought them out during the COVID break. 91. Aldo posted: 10.01.2020 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think it's great to see NASCAR trying to do something to improve, even if they put too many road tracks (specially rovals). More races at southeastern tracks is a comeback to NASCAR roots. I hope to see again Rockingham and Nashville Fairgrounds. Looking at all those empty seats and at low ratings, I think it's time to cut the schedule to 28/30 races at least until tracks return to sell off. 92. Jimmie4life posted: 10.01.2020 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @91 NASCAR was seeing a slight boost in ratings and attendance when the pandemic showed up. 93. Anthony posted: 10.01.2020 - 8:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #83, Not dissing Yeley at all. I said unfortunately because Poole signed for a full season in the 15. Feel bad for Poole if he got replaced by anyone. Nothing against Yeley at all, I actually like Yeley too. 94. Jimmie4life posted: 10.02.2020 - 8:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) If I was to guess on some averages(Last 10 superspeedway races): (Over/Under) 16.3 Leaders: Over. (Over/Under) 28.9 Lead Changes: Over. (Over/Under) 12.9 DNF's: Over. (Over/Under) 58.2 Most Laps Lead: Under. (Over/Under) 14.6 Starting Spot Winner: Over. (Over/Under) 145.5 Average MPH: Under. 95. William24ByronFan posted: 10.02.2020 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 27 Sponsor is Thriv5 96. Jimmie4life posted: 10.02.2020 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know this is random, but searching NASCAR on google, for some reason, the top 2 things "people also ask" are: Do NASCAR drivers wear diapers? and: Do NASCAR drivers pee? 97. Anthony posted: 10.02.2020 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 51 Sponsor is Jimco Windows 53 Sponsor is Americas Best Value Inn / Breast Cancer Awareness 98. Jason24 posted: 10.02.2020 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 96. Thats been there for a while now. Might seem like a dumb random thing but its part of the issue. Its hard for anyone to take the sport seriously when stuff like that appears in google searches. 99. possum posted: 10.02.2020 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @98 - it's actually a common question from non-racefans, considering how long NASCAR races are. The answers, in case you didn't know, are "no" and "no, drivers sweat so much during a race that peeing isn't an issue (dehydration is)". 100. Jason24 posted: 10.03.2020 - 7:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 99. NASCAR races are only about 3 hours on average minus marathons like the Coke 600 or Southern 500. Its not like the 24 Hours of LeMans or Rolex 24. That really shouldn't be the first thing non-race fans think of when they think of NASCAR. If it is then like I said, its hard to get them to take the sport seriously. 101. possum posted: 10.03.2020 - 8:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @100 - you're thinking of it wrong. People think "drive 500 miles without a bathroom break?" It doesn't occur to them that at racing speed it doesn't take all day to go 500 miles. 102. Sector posted: 10.03.2020 - 9:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I remember Harvick saying once before that he had to watch what he eats and drink the day before and on race day, and at that time it was a rain delay which messes up his eating schedule or something like that. 103. Jason24 posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 101. Eh, perhaps. Still though, I would rather the non fan wonder about how fast the cars are or how much they cost or how much money a driver makes or literally anything else. 104. Ryan posted: 10.04.2020 - 11:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyone got an idea of how many laps there is going to be at the Bristol dirt race? If 500, the drivers' arms will more than likely fall off. Also, I would have liked to have seen Chicagoland stay and Las Vegas or Kansas lose a date. The only thing missing is more short tracks. It would have been better had the Nashville been brought back (it still may), instead of the 1.33 mile track (As Corey mentioned it was a compromise for Dover). Perhaps they could have 40 races a season in the future with a couple of double headers and a couple of midweek races. I compliment Nascar for trying for sure. They finally are listening to fans or is it more because they can only go up where they have put themselves??? Trust me, fans complained a lot about when some of the older tracks where seeing dates be taken away, but NASCAR was thinking about the money then. Right now, they don't have a sure thing like they once did and are doing everything they can do to make sure they get another big TV deal in the future (competitive and exciting racing along with being a diverse sport). @34 Sector, isn't it interesting that the same original Crown Jewel races are still on the schedule? Daytona 500, Talladega 500, Charlotte 600, and Darlington Southern 500. I guess with a lot of fans and media the Brickyard was called a major because of the tracks prestige. Its first race in 1994 was the best Brickyard 400, after that the dreaded aero push killed the racing. 105. Canadianfan posted: 10.04.2020 - 1:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @104 NASCAR said the laps and how the dirt race will be structured to be determined at a later time. Also according to the Bristol Herald Courier it was FOX Sports who pressured NASCAR and SMI to do the dirt race. 106. Vaxen posted: 10.04.2020 - 1:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From JJ Yeley's Twitter: "After a wicked game of musical chairs........ I lost. Too many drivers w/sponsors and not enough cars left me out of today's race. I'll be back for the remainder of 2020" Here's why he isnt racing today. 107. MTJFAN19 posted: 10.04.2020 - 1:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) well if everything goes well and newman stays at the back until there's a wreck and newman can get passed it then newman is a true threat to win this race 108. DI9_ForLife posted: 10.04.2020 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Approximately 30 minutes before the race begins and I am pumped. Nervous as all hell for Chase but I just hope we have a great race today! 109. 1995-Subaru-WRX-Sti posted: 10.04.2020 - 1:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also according to the Bristol Herald Courier, it was FOX Sports who pressured NASCAR and SMI to do the dirt race." Much like Sponsors, TV Networks have a lot of power in decisions. Perhaps they have too much power. 110. Jimmie4life posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So instead of having green spoilers, teams have white/bluish spoilers if you are a playoff driver. 111. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We're green at Talladega 112. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bell and Reddick spin caution is out already 113. DI9_ForLife posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Somehow no one else got collected as Bell and Reddick spun in turn 3 114. Drew posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh Bell spins Reddick across the pack caution is out bad start to the rookies in dega 115. Drew posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bell just lost it under his own power 116. danny posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Earliest caution at Talladega since 2004 the infamous race that basically was the reason NASCAR now does overtime finishes. It is earliest for the Fall race since it was fall race in 1997 previously Lap 6 also a 2 crash in 2009. 117. Drew posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @109 FOX for sure will want to do the Bristol Dirt race in 2021 because May is part of FOX's coverage of the season 118. Drew posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well inside line is the best after only 1 lap in the race 119. Drew posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Green flags back in the on lap 5 120. Drew posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here come Kurt Busch!!! 121. danny posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did someone forget no choose cone for this week and next week. Oh is it weird I see two Menard's cars reminds me of Indianapolis minus the red paint scheme. 122. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stenhouse crashes caution 123. Drew posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gibbs top 3 as Denny pulls out truex jr to back bumper now 124. Jimmie4life posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What's going on? Lots of crashing early. 125. Drew posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh Stenhouse around he won't get to make it two runner up finishes this season at Talladega as looks like hit the wall spun off John Hunter and thens hits the outside wall hard 126. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) LaJoie has stalled on track caution again 127. Corey posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I would have expected caution after caution in the last 13 laps, bot the first. 128. Jimmie4life posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jesus, this race is pretty rough. 3 yellows in 12 laps. 129. Anthony2 posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No practice is the reason why we're having cautions after cautions being put out. Also the pace car has led the most laps so far. 130. danny posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 3, 3!!! IN 12 laps is this 2011 Daytona 500!!!! Goodness me, I thought the short tracks had that this early. Man!!! I have seen 11 at Talladega might we see most cautions ever on a SuperSpeedway!!!! 131. DI9_ForLife posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good lord, Three yellows this early, this time for Corey LaJoie stalled on the frontstretch 132. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano to the lead 133. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin back to the lead 134. Corey posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @121 Only 1 Menards car Dibendetto today. There are two Pennzoil cars. Blaney is yellow and white, Logano is yellow and red. 135. Jimmie4life posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) After 5 laps of 3 wide at 200+ MPH, they get single file and might just ride to the competition yellow. 136. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Competition caution is now out 137. Corey posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @135 Dibenedetto and Almirola didn't get the memo. 138. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 134, he has a Pennzoil on the hood and Menards on the the quarter panel, the 21 also just has Menards on the quarter panel, they always have one of their other companies/partners on the hood 139. Corey posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @138 I hadn't seen the quarter panels on the 12 only the hood which had Pennzoil. I don't think it'll be an issue telling the cars apart. They all have a different secondary color. 140. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Elliott was caught for speeding on pit road 141. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Almirola won the race off pit road so he's the new leader 142. DI9_ForLife posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So far they've shown that when they're racing it can be really awesome as expected. 143. Jimmie4life posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) These guys race more crazily than guys in a 15 lap iRacing event. 144. Jimmie4life posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin falls back. He's getting out of the chaos. 145. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Blaney and Almirola side by side for the lead 146. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jones to the lead 147. MBenoit posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) These guys are mixing it up at the front. Could see a lot of lead changes today 148. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Erik Jones to the lead. Blaney comes back a corner later and gets it back. 149. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Blaney back to the lead 150. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 2:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jones back to the lead 151. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jones was able to hold back that Blaney charge I mentioned earlier and has brought his JGR teammates to the bottom, 1-2-3 with Suarez leading the high line. 152. Jimmie4life posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What a save by Reddick. He was heading for the outside wall. 153. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Blaney back to the lead 154. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Blaney led that lap 155. Corey posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like Suarez can push a car to the lead, but he slows the line if he's the leader. 156. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Elliott to the lead 157. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 139, didn't mean for it to come off as condescending, but I agree, it's different enough from the other Pennzoil car and the other Menards car that it isn't a problem 158. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Elliott and Ky. Busch have led laps since that commercial 159. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Almirola back to the lead 160. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt to the lead blocking the 10, now Almirola to the bottom and to the top spot. 161. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Almirola, Blaney, Kyle Busch and Bowman wreck 162. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Almirola, Busch, Bowman, and Blaney crash as the 10 tries to block the 88 and 22 163. Jimmie4life posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch got major air! Big crash. 164. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chris Buescher to the lead 165. Anon2 posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Logano push the 88 into the 10 to set that off? Nah, couldn't be. 166. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Buescher will win stage 1 167. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This helps Austin Dillon's playoff hopes, he missed that wreck. Almirola continues to fall behind in his playoff quest, so does Kyle Busch, Bowyer able to miss. 168. Corey posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @163 In Talladega terms, that was minor. I'm honestly surprised more cars weren't involved given where they were in the pack. 169. Foote posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just tuning in. Weird start to the race. JHN is usually involved in 6 accidents per race, so not surprised to see him wreck someone on lap 10. Knowing him he'll be in at least 5 more wrecks before the day is done. 170. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Idk how Logano is both a great driver and a huge idiot at the same time 171. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Almirola is done for the day 172. Anon2 posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Then we had Assholemirola trying to block the 88 in the pits. Take it up with Logano, loser. 173. Foote posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And now a third caution by lap 13, what is going on. I'll shut up until I'm caught up but this is bizarre. 174. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Austin Dillon has a left rear tire down and some damage after the wreck 175. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Austin Dillon pitted before the pits were open to repair the damage to his car so he will drop to the rear on the restart 176. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Elliott to the lead 177. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano on pit road a second time to repair some damage after the crash 178. E-Rick95 posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Assholemirola? You tried so hard.. 179. Clint posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano pulls those moves because he knows most of the time hes going to drive through it unscathed. 180. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski to the lead 181. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kez leads off the restart jump 182. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch's left front fender just blew off and caution is out for that debris 183. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for KFB's fender 184. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eliott got the lead back before the caution came out 185. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Couple of cars including Elliott pit under caution, Buescher is the leader again 186. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Buescher to the lead pushed by Jones, now down in front of the 2 187. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jones back to the lead 188. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jones to the front with Michael McDowell 189. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Buescher back to the lead 190. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Buescher back out front 191. Jimmie4life posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 204 MPH laps. We're creeping back up into the speed NASCAR would slow the cars down. 192. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DiBenedetto and Buescher side by side for the lead 193. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now Jones and DiBenedetto side by side for the lead 194. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The return of the tandem. Matty D and Jones v. Buescher and Keselowski give the lead to Matty D and now Jones ditches him and gets the lead himself! 195. Jimmie4life posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @194 Tandem's been happening for over a year. 196. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Green flag pit stops starting now 197. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for debris 198. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Michael McDowell is out. Matty D to the lead. Caution is out for debris 199. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #104 Correct, I was also wrong in #34 and should take away one inaugural race. Tim Flock won the only Road America race back in 1956, however it will be the first race ever for the modern era (1972-present). However I don't think we've seen the last of the oval race at Indianapolis for Cup. I believe it'll return, so we will have both the oval and road courses on the schedule. I think with the way COVID-19 has everything restricted that's the route we're stuck with right now and is an opportunity for NASCAR to try something new (aka they did Daytona road course in 2020, why not Indianapolis too?). Once everything dies down I think things will work out that way; Same for Daytona in the oval and road course format. 200. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chevy's go to the lead because they pitted before the caution 201. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Elliott, Byron, Kurt Busch, Preece, Johnson, Ty Dillon, Wallace stayed out. 202. Jimmie4life posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They keep going faster! 204.6 for Keselowski. 203. Canadianfan posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Some observations from twitter. The #95 the #47 got into him during a stack up of the initial start cutting the tire. The #53 is the reason the first stage caution was a bit longer than normal the rear axle came out and put grease on the track. The #32 had fuel pump problems for what seems like the 10th time this year. This has been a problem for them not only this year but the last couple of years. The #34 had something fly into the grille and destroy the radiator while in the lead pack. The #51 only has 4th gear. Needs a push out of the pit box every time. 204. MBenoit posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did I hear that wrong, or did Junior just say "Shit, Martin wanted to push!" a couple laps ago? 205. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Big save by Custer there 206. Jimmie4life posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hoodflaps falling off again. Shades of last year. 207. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson has DiBenedetto's hood flap on his nose 208. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Big debris on the front of the 48, that may be Matty D's roof flap said NBC 209. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Big one 210. Jimmie4life posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) KURT BUSCH!!! HOW DID HE NOT FLIP!!! 211. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Big crash the 1 is upside down, Keselowski's in it, Custer, Bowyer, Gaughan, Johnson... 212. Jimmie4life posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) He rode on a car! Unbelievably scary wreck. 213. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski also involved but looks like he got away with it 214. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Red flag is now out 215. Danish_Pie posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was a vicious hit. Reminds me of Cody Coughlin's truck crash here in 2017. 216. Anonymous posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gaughan would have missed but Kyle spun on his path 217. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Bowyer caused the big one? I'm shocked 218. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch also involved, Preece... how did Buescher and Matty D not get in that? 219. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Austin Dillon also got damage in this wreck 220. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch literally jumped over Cole Custer there. 221. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR.com lap by lap gives this list of 13 as involved: Kurt Busch, Brad Keselowski, Austin Dillon, Ryan Blaney, Clint Bowyer, Brennan Poole, Kyle Busch, Ryan Preece, Cole Custer, Jimmie Johnson, Daniel Suarez, Brendan Gaughan, Joey Gase. 222. RaceFanX posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brendan Gaughan's 2003 Truck series title bid ended in a crash not of his causing. Now his career ends the same way. 223. Zach posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brendan Gaughan had that wreck missed until Kyle Busch swerved up right in front of him. Sucks his last race had to end early. 224. Edwards2020 posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Both Busch brothers getting some air today 225. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Both of brothers Kurt and Kyle Busch have been airborne today. Have we ever had brothers gone airborne with tires not touching the ground in any NASCAR races prior to today? 226. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Red flag has been lifted 227. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #225 For clarity I'm talking about in the same race. 228. TheDewCrew posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anybody else get a Tony Stewart 2001 Daytona 500 crash vibe. An orange, white, and black car, getting kicked into the air repeatedly 229. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano back to the lead 230. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano to the lead 231. danny posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) All of the Vegas Boys crashed together, in the same wreck. All three, Kurt and Kyle and Brendan Gaughan. but that wreck had huge consequences for the Roval!!! But yes 13 unlucky gentlemen crashed in that one. 232. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex to the lead 233. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex to the lead 234. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WOAH Logano and Matty D 235. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Reddick to the lead, now Truex takes it right back 236. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex wins stage 2 237. danny posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was thinking Earnhardt vibes twice in the 90s, in the exact same spot Turn 4 almost the angle of it too. 238. WhereAreTheBeers posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 32 with mechanical problems AGAIN? Please don't go there Chase. It isn't worth it. 239. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 22 under penalty for forcing Matty D below the line. Truex wins stage 2 240. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From that angle it appears he also put Buescher below 241. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Austin Dillon has gone to the garage 242. MBenoit posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We've had 32 lead changes already. Spring race had 56. Wild racing through the first two stages. The final 65 laps will only be wilder. 243. Corey posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like the 3 is replacing the radiator. I believe this might be okay as he had made minimum speed before going behind the wall for repairs. We'll see what NASCAR says. 244. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Austin Dillon is back on track only 2 laps down 245. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski back to the lead 246. Anonymous posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Buescher has a legit shot at this thing. Would love it if he could pull it off. One thing I'll say, the racing today has been MUCH better. This is a genuinely good race. 247. Foote posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh my gosh. What a disgraceful display of driving by Clint Bowyer. That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen. 248. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Reddick to the lead 249. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #242 Don't jinx it; They may go single file from here till the end. 250. RaceFanX posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Reddick has gone from a first lap wreck to leading on lap 161. What a comeback! 251. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski back to the lead 252. RaceFanX posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm sorry, Reddick is leading on lap 128. I misread the "61 to go" graphic. Still a great comeback. 253. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski to the lead 254. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bubba to the lead 255. RaceFanX posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bubba Wallace takes the lead. Keseloski fights him but Wallace wins this fight. John Hunter Nemechek is up in the top-5. 256. RaceFanX posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's Bubba, Bowman, and Kenseth 1-2-3 for Chevrolet. 257. joey2448 posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) All these cars in the top-10 running with taped-up front ends. lol 258. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Reddick leading with Bowman behind him, now Keselowski to the middle to the lead, Bubba leading an outside charge, Keselowski couldn't block it, now Bubba to the lead lap 129. 259. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski back to the lead 260. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano back to the lead 261. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski leads the middle back up to the lead. 262. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano to the lead 263. RaceFanX posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "All these cars in the top-10 running with taped-up front ends. lol" Half these cars loo they are on lap 85 of a 100-lap short track enduro. 264. A.J. posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lots of cars in the top 20 we normally don't see there. 265. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for debris from Johnson's car 266. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for debris from the #48 267. RaceFanX posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The backend of Jimmie Johnson's #48 is throwing off debris. It is absolutely shredded. Johnson had just come back onto the the track, 60 laps down, after repairs behind the wall related to a fuel tank that wouldn't fuel up. 268. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Timmy Hill stayed out according to NASCAR.com leaderboard 269. joey2448 posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This debris caution with 40 laps to go is the 10th yellow of the day. The Cup series record for caution periods at this track is 11, accomplished twice (2004, 2017). 270. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Johnson's rear looks like a cape. Makes sense since Johnson is nicknamed "Superman" lol 271. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now he pits coming to 1 to go so the leader is in fact Logano over Harvick, Jones, and Byron 272. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Byron to the lead 273. RaceFanX posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) William Byron has the Ricky Hendrick throwback #24 out front. 274. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano back to the lead 275. RaceFanX posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano was sideways in Turn 3 and now he's moving back into the lead within half a lap. 276. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Byron to the lead on the lap after the restart 277. Danish_Pie posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cody Ware is 6th 278. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano back out front with the push from Preece 279. RaceFanX posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brendan Poole wrecked earlier in the #15 but he's up in the top-5 briefly now. He gets freight trained now. He was flagged a winner in a Busch race here once even though he didn't get to keep it due to a last lap yellow reverting the finish. 280. RaceFanX posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano, Preece, and Keselowski are 1-2-3 with 41 laps left. 281. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Elliott to the lead lap 159 282. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Elliott back to the lead 283. joey2448 posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cody Ware is running sixth in line. 284. TeamDCRfan posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cody ware 6th? WHAT THE HELL???????????????!!!!!!! 285. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bubba and Logano side by side for the lead 286. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano clear to the lead again 287. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bubba to the lead on the outside with Truex pushing 288. MBenoit posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How is Dillon only one lap down? Lol. In position for thr lucky dog, too. Amazing. 289. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How many times is NBC going to mention the Jordan team today? I thought they name dropped him enough at Vegas... Logano to the lead 290. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Elliott back to the lead 291. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Elliott back to the lead 292. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano back to the lead 293. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano to the lead 294. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bubba back to the lead with 8 to go 295. joey2448 posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) With 10 to go, it's gonna be hard to beat the duo of Brad and Joey out front. 296. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bubba to the lead, Logano back to the outside and he'll get it back, Bubba with another run on the bottom but the Penske teammates clear out to the lead 297. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Davison crashes caution 298. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bubba to the lead 299. A.J. posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Awwwwwww, shucks. 300. MBenoit posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, Logano and Keselowski are quite the duo, but none of those other guys are going to happy with second. Esp Matt D. 301. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano to the lead as the 43 is in the wall, Matty D and Keselowski are now 2nd and 3rd 302. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for James Davison 303. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I could hear the fans; Were they cheering that Bubba hit the wall? Isn't this his home track basically? Lol Here we go, restart chaos begins now. 304. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano is mighty aggressive as a pusher. He's fun to watch. 305. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Preece got into the back of Wallace and that's what drove Wallace into the wall. 306. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Big one 2 307. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Second week in a row that Matty D has lined up second on an overtime restart. This time it's Joey Logano that'll be alongside him, not Kurt Busch. 308. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Red flag now out 309. Timothy_Eklund posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 9 went below the line 310. Corey posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @310 I need to see a replay but it looked like the 22 forced him there. 311. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Elliott to the lead, there was a big crash behind, Kyle Busch, Kevin Harvick, and Truex all involved. 312. WhereAreTheBeers posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just Talladega doing Talladega things... 313. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The big 3 of 2018, Harvick, Kyle Busch and Truex Jr all crash and slid across the start finish line together attached to one another. Not something you see at all. 314. RaceFanX posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Race changing over from NBC to NBCSN for the finish due to the red flag. 315. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 309, he was forced under by Logano 316. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano involved, Newman, Reddick, Kenseth as well. 317. joey2448 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Right before that crash in the tri-oval, Chase Elliott ducked below the yellow line off turn 4 to pass Logano for the lead. I believe he needs to be penalized for that (although I'd hate to see it). 318. joey2448 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For some reason, the conclusion of this race will be broadcast on NBCSN. Switch the channel, folks. 319. Anon posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Either the 9 needs a black flag for going below the yellow line, or the 22 for possibly forcing him. A no call there is ridiculous. 320. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Matt DiBenedetto may be in the best position to win this race as we sit under red flag. He's sitting third. 321. TeamDCRfan posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That Chase move reminded me of Dale Jr.s move in 2003 322. RaceFanX posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The fans cheered Kyle Busch crashing and booed him when he got out of the #18 afterward. Rough crowd today. 323. TeamDCRfan posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sounds like a typical crowd to me 324. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, Logano forced Elliott below line. Elliott is good. Logano has been penalized again for forcing below the line for the second time today. 325. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #319 They already pinned it on Logano. 326. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks 318, I thought they just cut off the end 327. Anonymous posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go Matty D, Buescher or even JHN 328. RyanM posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) inb4 the "rigged for Chase" comments because I know they're coming, if that were the case they'd simply have held the caution for one more second until they took the white flag so lol 329. Anonymous posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @322 That's his fault for being the way he is. He gets no sympathy from me. 330. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Red flag has been lifted 331. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I hate it when I'm right" - Kyle Busch LOL 332. Anonymous posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And the way Logano was driving, he would have caused another wreck. People say Stenhouse causes a lot of wrecks on superspeedways but Logano is just as bad in that area. 333. William24ByronFan posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Quin Houff and Cody Ware might get best finishes of their Cup career. 334. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #320 Oh, the way the cars stopped under red flag William Byron is sitting a little bit ahead of DiBenedetto behind Elliott. That's where my confusion was, DiBenedetto is actually second. 335. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lots of guys coming in for fuel 336. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Austin Dillon got the free pass under this caution and now he's back on the lead lap 337. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 328, seems ridiculous to me that some people can see all the wins he got screwed out of this year and still think that 338. Rich posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rick Allen, Jeff Burton and Dale Earnhardt Jr. are the commentators. Marty Snider, Dave Burns and Kelli Stavast are the pit road reporters. Steve Letarte is the roving commentator. 339. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did Logano's car break? He's getting pushed by a truck from the back stretch to the garage. 340. RaceFanX posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The #22 didn't refire 341. MBenoit posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, 56 lead changes. Multiple GWCs. Plenty of carnage. How's this one going to end?! 342. William24ByronFan posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dang its nice to see an underfunded team running in the top 10. 343. A.J. posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Awwwwwwwww, again. I hope Chase has enough fuel. 344. MBenoit posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) New record for cautions at Dega today. What a mess 345. Anonymous posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) As much of a cynic as I am, even I don't think this "rigged for Chase" crap makes any sense. As popular as he is, if they wanted to rig it for him he'd have a lot more wins. 346. William24ByronFan posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) How about Timmy freaking Hill in the top 3?! 347. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bubba Wallace spins and collects Blaney and others, caution is out 348. joey2448 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They're wrecking again. They don't even make it a lap and Bubba gets turned in turns 3 and 4 and takes out Blaney, Austin Dillon and Kenseth. Another OT finish coming up, with Elliott and Hamlin running 1-2. Chase is really low on fuel. 349. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Elliott, Matt D, Nemechek, etc. probably need to pit. 350. danny posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Triple Overtime!!! 351. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth and Dillon involved as well 352. Anonymous posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Well boys, this is gonna get interesting. Watch Timmy Hill up and win LOL. 353. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR didn't open up pit road for Chase, guess you cant say they are trying to help him 354. Zach posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Of course this hands the win to Hamlin. 355. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Matt D was leading at the caution 356. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At this point Denny Hamlin is in the best position to win after running in the back all day long. He's currently 4th under this caution before pit stops. 357. Timothy_Eklund posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Denny looks like he will stay out 358. MBenoit posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Idk about Matt staying out. So close on fuel. 359. Zach posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I would be absolutely shocked if Hamlin doesn't win. I guess riding in the back all day and not competing is the new way to win these races. 360. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why is Matty D not pitting??? 361. Anonymous posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @354 Now handing to Hamlin is MUCH more believable. How convenient he would win when one of the Gibbs employees died. I hope he wrecks. 362. RandomFacts posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was hoping for a new winner but pretty sure Hamlin has this now. 363. Z posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I like it, Matt has nothing to lose and everything to gain. Buescher in 3rd last pitted 149, x2 prior to DiBenedetto. 364. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Quinn in 8th. They haven't even led a lap all year! 365. RandomFacts posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Surprised Denny fell back 366. RandomFacts posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bleh, Hamlin wins. I usually dont complain but having a boring winner over so many others going for their first win ruined this for me. 367. A.J. posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great finish, horrible outcome. Literally ANYBODY who restarted in the entire top 20 would have been better. Gotta wreck him when you have the chance, guys. 368. MBenoit posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As a 21 fan, let me say: son of a bitch. 369. Anonymous posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @362 Sadly you're probably right. 370. Onion posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Aw MAN... So close. Still, what an amazing finish. 371. Edwards2020 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) After all that, freaking Hamlin wins 372. Joker_88 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No freaking way Hamlin won that wow 373. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well this ruins a good race, hamlin can go screw himself Nothing worse than seeing one of the boring drivers win at the races and he should have been flagged too 374. Anonymous posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Time to pray Denny fails inspection. 375. MBenoit posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) But did he go below the yellow line?! 376. TeamDCRfan posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The perfect race except for Hamlin winning 377. William24ByronFan posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm tired of this. 378. Onion posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hah, that's illegal. Hamlin was not even alongside the 17 when he was already half below the line. This could be big for Matty D. 379. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) NASCAR gave it to Hamlin again... no one gets more bs wins than hamlin smfh 380. Jimmie4life posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) F*** anyone who hopes someone fails inspection. You are not a true fan. 381. Archie posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) The yellow line rule no longer exists. Joey Logano is confused. 382. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin BARELY beats the 21. Remember Bristol 2019. 383. Tarheel posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I want the opinion of Regan Smith on this one. 384. joey2448 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man. 385. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 17 car was coming down and forced Hamlin below the yellow line, but Hamlin stuck down there for quite some time before heading back up the track. This is being reviewed by NASCAR currently. 386. Onion posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Booo Shit decision. Sauter was disqualified for this. 387. Anonymous posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin went below the yellow line. The 21 blocked the 24 but the 11 just went there like if it was allowed 388. Anonymous posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Yes I am. I am a true fan. True fans have drivers that they hate and want to see fail.If you're neutral you're not a real fan 389. Edwards2020 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) He had plenty of room to come back up, but didn't. Should not have won this race 390. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR says Hamlin's pass is legal, he's wins! 391. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 380, why is that wrong? He didn't deserve it 392. Timothy_Eklund posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good to see NASCAR being consistent for once! 393. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What a waste of a Talladega race, I can't believe Hamlin has to ruin another race 394. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Honestly I'm just glad this race is over because the ending was ridiculous, and that was a tough call with Denny there and the yellow line so I'm just gonna leave it where it is 395. Anon2 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can't take away a win from Makkel Joedan's future business partner. 396. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Everyone literally was racing their hearts out while Hamlin stood back after the restart. That gave Hamlin the advantage to be patience. 397. William24ByronFan posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Man Byron was so close for his 2nd win! 398. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another * race smh 399. Anonymous posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @395 Oh yeah, so NASCAR had TWO reasons to screw Matty D 400. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Denny Hamlin's 44th career win ties his hero and idol, Bill Elliott, on the all time wins list. Second straight second place finish for DiBenedetto, his fourth in his career and third of the season. 401. TEG posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Congrats to Matty D on the actual win. 402. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DiBenedetto still gets penalized for forcing Byron below the yellow line 403. Ultimate_Warrior_#18 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Only non superstar drivers get the below the line call. Stewart, Hamlin etc NASCAR always takes their side smh. 404. Anonymous posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @378 Hamlin should have been penalised as matty D, so it could have been big for Jones, not for Matt. BTW I think the pass was not clean. He went below the yellow line for a lot of time, even if he was forced he took an advantage of that action. 405. thog posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Unbelievable how out of that top 5 it had to be the party killer. 406. Anonymous posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Im really sick of NASCAR's BS. Make a rule & stick to it or dont. 407. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 397, hamlin driving like a tool (like always) ruined that 408. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, so DiBenedetto will not finish second because he forced Byron below the yellow line instead. So he'll finish back at the end of the lead lap, officially. 409. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I really hope NASCAR DQs him, should have after the illegal pass but they don't want to take wins away from their guys 410. DI9_ForLife posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Overall fantastic race with an insane ending. Probably another 10/10 from me! Talladega never disappoints. I wish Matt D would've won though 411. MBenoit posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Junior is right. Get rid of the rule. They wad up most of the field anyway. Like this is really a safety issue anymore. 412. Edwards2020 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So they penalize guys for forcing others below the but not the guy passing two cars below the line. Dale jr just said get rid of the yellow line and I agree 413. 27YeleyFan posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Matty D looked sad for both not winning and being penalized for forcing William Byron down the apron 414. Anon posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Erik Jones won this in my book. 11 should've been penalized, as should the 21 for forcing the 24 down as well. 415. William24ByronFan posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Why the dislikes I didn't say anything wrong lol. 416. Zach posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) If that win is legal, NASCAR owes Johnny Sauter and Regan Smith both a trophy. I am so damn tired of NASCAR making up rules as they go and picking and choosing who they want to enforce rules on. Just a complete freaking joke. 417. RyanM posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Biggest joke of a finish since the 2015 fall race. Might be even worse. Ban the yellow line rule. 418. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So Hamlin was under the yellow line for quite a bit and took advantage of the "shortcut" way to pass both Byron and DiBenedetto, but while that happened, DiBenedetto is the one who got penalized instead because he forced Byron below the yellow line, while Hamlin was already below the yellow line to pass them. That's all confusing. This race will certainly be an upsetting one. Hamlin clinches his way into the next round of Playoffs, as will Kevin Harvick based on points. 419. Christian posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @416 And Justin Haley 420. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin wins. Controversy. Either the 21, 11, or 17 should get a penalty somehow for all those yellow line shenanigans. 421. Bob posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That call was pretty bad. Erik Jones should have won. 422. Mile501 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This ties the spring 2010 race as the longest Talladega race ever (200 laps, 532 miles). 58 lead changes is the most since the fall of 2011 (the spring race this year had 57). If the current finishing order holds... Congrats to Ty Dillon on finishing 3rd, the best ever finish for Germain Racing, which will close its doors as the end of the season. The team had 2 previous top 5s. Oddly, both of them came in rain-shortened July Daytona races (Mears in 2014 and Dillon in 2019). Congrats to Brennan Poole on finishing 9th, the first-ever top 10 for Rick Ware Racing (aside from Ragan's 4th at Daytona, which was a partnership with FRM). 423. Zach posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) If DiBenedetto was penalized, Hamlin should have been too. Erik Jones should be the winner of this race. 424. MBenoit posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Other than the yellow line controversy, an amazing race. Tons of lead changes. Hard racing. Wild stuff all day long. The rules package is excellent. 425. Tarheel posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm starting to think the Nascar officials just flip a quarter when someone goes below the yellow line. 426. Danish_Pie posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Every single race this weekend had controversy. From yellows on the last lap, to the yellow line, to the track not doing a good enough job of preparing their dirt track. Frustrating, one way or another. 427. William24ByronFan posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 27 is a Chevrolet 428. Clint posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) End of that race was a joke. So in the name of consistency if youre going to penalize dibenedetto why dont you penalize buescher? Also does the driver owe any sort of duty to attempt to get back on the track if theyre forced below. Nascar is sports entertainment not sport. In an odd anamoly john hunter nemechek finished 11th in both daytona races and 8th in both talladega races this year. 429. Zach posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why was NASCAR so quick to make a decision anyway? They should take the time to dissect everything that happened on the last lap, and if they do, they will realize Hamlin is not the rightful winner of this race. 430. A.J. posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A very good point, @429. And at least in this case, NASCAR probably thinks they have a very good reason: there's no need to look at what you don't want to see. 431. joey2448 posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not sure how margin of victory will be determined with the runner-up being disqualified, but for what it's worth, original third-place finisher (now second) Erik Jones was .086 seconds behind Hamlin. 432. Corey posted: 10.04.2020 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I do want to see NASCAR's explanation for Hamlin. If they felt he was forced in any way, then someone else did the forcing. In this case it was Chris Buescher or Erik Jones, but they weren't. 433. BadBooking posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Erik Jones is in my mind the rightful winner of this race. I saw how Matt and Chase forced other cars below the yellow, but who gave Denny the right to pass FOUR cars under the yellow line! Such madness. 434. MartinsvilleHotDog posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) IMO Nascar made a bad call here. As much as I wanted to see Matt D win, he forced the #24 below the line so the penalty on him was good. But Hamlin, once he was forced below the line, stayed below the line. He should have been responsible to return to the racing surface if and and when he had room. He had room to do that and did not, by choice. It's just like Justin Haley at the Daytona July xfinity race in 2018. Nascar ruled he was forced below the line but didn't return to the racing surface when he could. So the win was taken away. That was an identical situation IMO. And Nascar called it differently. Erik Jones should have won this race! But I seriously hope Nascar takes the whole rule away, like Dale, Jr. said. I'm sick of Nascar having to make these calls. Because they clearly can't get every call right. I would argue they get more wrong than they get right. 435. BadBooking posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 8, 95 accident turn 3 should be the reason for the first caution. 436. George_Costanza posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's the same old song and dance every time we go to Talladega/Daytona. There's basically a 90% chance that the race will come down to 1) some kind of yellow line controversy or 2) a wreck on the backstretch before there's even a chance to see a finish. It's a breath of fresh air whenever there's actually a clean finish. However, NASCAR will always show favoritism towards the ?star? drivers, especially at this point in the season. As far as the 11 and 21 goes either penalize them both or penalize neither. 437. danny posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In the mix of me being pretty mad. I do see Several guys did get huge finishes given there seasons through. Erik Jones a free agent 2nd place, Ty Dillon a career high for he and his team Germain Racing their 1st ever Top 5 in Cup, Ryan Newman 1st Top 5 all year, Chris Buescher great run for the Sunny D car, Tyler Reddick he hadn't had much to smile a about lately but did get 7th, John Hunter Nemechek top 10s in both Talladega races, Brennan Poole his 1st Top 10 in Cup great great run, Ryan Preece 10th, Justin Haley 11th, Quinn Houff a great Top 15 a personal NASCAR Series finish, Timmy Hill Top 15 good good run for that 66 car, Joey Gase had a career best 17th, Cody Ware 19th but finished lead lap. 438. MartinsvilleHotDog posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The #66 was a Ford. The #27 was a Chevrolet. 439. Onion posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This whole thing is painfully stupid. You can make an unpopular decision, you can make a bad one as well, but they contradict themselves here. Upon seeing the replays, yes, Matt deserved a penalty, he forced Byron below the line, but if the #11 was forced below the line (he wasn't), how the f**k does the #17 not get a penalty? If he wasn't forced, as proven by Buescher not getting peanlised, where's the penalty for Denny? Idiots ruining a good race with nonsense like this. Dale Jr, unsurprisingly, got it right again, get rid of this crap. 440. DI9_ForLife posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race will live in infamy because of the finish and people will forget that it was an awesome race. Chaotic but awesome. Overall I thought the officiating was terrible at the end, they really should've penalized Hamlin for passing Byron below the line and maybe even penalize Buescher for forcing Hamlin below the line. Also what in the world was Chase penalized for?? 441. Zach posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DiBenedetto, Buescher and Hamlin should have all been penalized, not just DiBenedetto. I don't what anyone says, Erik Jones won this race. 442. CFM posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Also what in the world was Chase penalized for??" Because he is NASCAR's golden boy and they bend over backwards to favor him all the time and... oh wait... sorry, I misread the question. I thought you asked why NASCAR didn't penalize a JGR driver. 443. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wait, was Chase Elliott handed a penalty as well on the last lap? While he was also on the lead lap, why does he finish behind Matt DiBenedetto? 444. MBenoit posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @434 I'd agree. NASCAR is put in very difficult position each time, and they're seemingly unable to enforce these rules as consistently as everyone would like. Some of their rulings have almost just been judgment calls that could have gone either way. If there is no rule, there won't be any confusion. Keep it simple. When the rule was put in place in the spring of 2001, the racing was different. Earnhardt had just died. The cars are so much safer now. And the racing is absolutely so much more aggressive. That rule, enforced or not, isn't the difference between crazy blocking and pushing or not. They'll do it regardless. 445. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I guess Hamlin has the same rights to go below the yellow that Austin Dillon had in 2012 in that Truck race with the tandem draft. Yet Justin Haley, and Carl Edwards 2006 couldn't get away with it. So inconsistent. 446. Foote posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It was clear to everybody years ago that the yellow line rule was stupid, and yet here we are with it AGAIN ruining a great finish. Just disappointing that a great race and finish comes down to this stupidity. It's not rocket science, get rid of it. 447. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And what did the 9 do? 448. Anonymous posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) IMO the aftermath of the race was bs. Basically if you go below the yellow line, you have to be forced to be legal, and who forces you receives a penalty. Then, who in earth is getting penalised for Hamlin's pass? It is not Elliott nor Buescher. The winner should have been Jones. Imagine if Chase doesnt make it to the next round because of this. 449. Corey posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Problem for Jones is that, you can make the argument he forced Buescher down, who then forced Hamlin down. Also don't forget that Logano was penalized for forcing both Elliott and Dibenedetto below the line earlier in the race. 450. Timothy_Eklund posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Enough is enough. Get rid of the double yellow line. No one likes it, it has done nothing to prevent crashes. 451. Corey posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @443, 447 Elliott went below the line to pass Buescher in the tri-oval on the final lap. 452. Zach posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So if Buescher didn't get penalized for forcing Hamlin below the yellow, then technically Hamlin went below the line willingly and illegally and advanced not just one position, but four positions. This is the worst non-call in NASCAR that I can ever remember. 453. JCesar posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This the most controversial finish EVER in NASCAR. Calling it. Anyway, they also owe Buescher a penalty too, even if Matty D did make him force Denny below, that's a penalty too. Dibby deserved the penalty, he pushed the 24 below the yellow line. No buts. He cleared forced Byron below the yellow line. Trash at me all night, but I'm right on this one after rewatching the finish. Denny, I would say doesn't get a penalty but at the same time not? He got forced and incidentally gained a position. I don't really know. 454. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race will have to be the final time for Harvick to fail to score a Top 10 finish of 2020 if he wants to tie the modern record of 30 Top 10 in a single season held by Jeff Gordon (2007). 5 more races to go! Austin Dillon and Kyle Busch are tied for 9th, 21 points behind Joey Logano and 22 behind Alex Bowman. With one race left for this round of Playoffs, they will most likely need to pull off a win at the Charlotte ROVAL next week, or have an amazing miracle and performance to overcome the deficit. 455. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I had the wrong year on that Austin Dillon thing. That was 2011, not 2012, but does it really matter? Still inconsistency 456. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) According to Robin Miller on Bob Pockrass twitter account Hamlin went down to avoid a possible wreck which it looked like they were about to do in my opinion. And let me say this, it was a tough call by NASCAR at the end and they made a judgement call which will not make a lot of people happy and at least they took some time after the checkered flag before they made their decision so in my opinion they did all that they could. Another thing, the overtime rule of unlimited attempts shouldn't be used at these superspeedways if they're going to wreck a lap after the restart 457. Ace posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 11 passed and improved his position under the yellow line. The 20 hit the wall and came down into the 17 which forced the 11 onto the apron. Then the 21 threw a block and forced the 24 below the yellow line. Then through the tri-oval the 17 ran the 9 below the yellow line and the 9 improved his position. If Nascar wanted to actually enforce their rules with any consistency, then the 11, 20, 21, 17, and 9 should have all been penilized. The 24 did nothing wrong, and the 13 should have won the race. Otherwise, just get rid of the stupid yellow line rule on the last lap? 458. Anonymous posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Well, I just hope Hamlin chokes away the championship like he always does. 459. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, I believe they didn't penalize Buescher because he was trying to avoid a possible wreck between DiBenedetto and Byron 460. JCesar posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @457 Getting rid of the yellow line rule would just cause even more chaos if you look at it carefully. 461. HMS5 posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor update: #15- Goettl 462. William24ByronFan posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congrats to Brennan Poole, Quin Houff, Joey Gase, and Cody Ware on their best finishes! 463. danny posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I got to agree with a lot of you most controversial finish ever I say YES!!!! 464. sloom posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor: #15 Goettl Air Conditioning & Plumbing #27 Thriv5 #51 Jimco Windows #53 Americas Best Value Inn All taken off off Rick Ware Racing's twitter. https://twitter.com/RickWareRacing 465. UnderdogFan89 posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was a terrible tri-oval and turn 4 for NASCAR. Honestly, I know it would be unpopular, but if I were up in the tower with these rules and had to make the call.....I agree with @457, Ty Dillon is the winner of the race. Hamlin, DiBenedetto, Jones, and Elliot would all be penalized. I do not believe that Buescher should be penalized. When he blocked Elliot, he ended up in front of Elliot, therefore not pushing him down. It was only after the block that Elliot moved, hence why I believe NASCAR only penalized Elliot. 466. 1995-Subaru-WRX-Sti posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Another thing, the overtime rule of unlimited attempts shouldn't be used at these superspeedways if they're going to wreck a lap after the restart" Was waiting for someone to post something like this. Giving the Clowns unlimited shot to finish the race is well idiotic. Either you give them one or you give them none. Yellow line rule or no. 9 times out of 10 the clowns driving wreck more than half the field in a race. It is pathetic really. And these clowns force NASCAR into making calls they shouldn't be making. Either get rid of the rule or team owner starts fining their clowns wrecking millions of dollars worth of their equipment. When there are 3 cautions inside the first 12 laps something is really, really wrong. 467. Racinglife97 posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor updates #8 - Cat Next Gen Dozers Patriotic #15 - Goettl Air Conditioning & Plumbing #19 - Bass Pro Shops / Tracker Boats & ATV's #24 - Hendrickcars.com Ricky Hendrick Throwback #27 - Thriv5 #34 - Love's Travel Stops / Luber Finer #37 - Kroger / Energizer / Hershey's / Hungry Jack #51 - Jimco Window / Donate Life #53 - America's Best Value Inn #62 - South Point Hotel & Casino / Beard Oil #88 - Truck Hero / Patriot Foundation #95 - Rheem / Procore 468. Foote posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This is stupid and exhausting. Hamlin should be the winner, he crossed the finish line 1st. Matty D should be 2nd, he crossed the line 2nd. Jones should be 3rd, he crossed the finish line 3rd. Onto Sunday Night Football, where I can be confident that the team who scores the most points wins. 469. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Based on the finishing positions and standings, not even knowing who ran the fastest laps for the race but it doesn't matter considering how Hamlin is the only Playoff contender finishing in the Top 11, it looks like Hamlin will start first again at the Charlotte ROVAL next week. This is the second time Hamlin started first in 2020 (he started first at Homestead via random draw as well). He has won both times starting on the pole. Look for him to win again next week. 470. UnderdogFan89 posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @468 I agree. We need to do SOMETHING different. Trying to figure out the balance between safety and racing is they tricky part. I thought Dale Jr. made a good comment about the number of wrecked cars today. What about....you can go below the yellow line, but if it causes a wreck, you are DQ'd? 471. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Elliott's penalty has been rescinded by NASCAR. 472. QFH posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) He is currently fifth 473. Altracing posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR has rescinded the penalty to Elliott and now Buescher has been penalized for forcing Elliott below the yellow line 474. Ace posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @460 I get it that we don't want cars driving through the grass, getting airborne and ending up in the grandstands, but you can't really tell me that it can get much more controversial than this finish today? The point is, either draw a hard line in how these rules are enforced or get rid of these judgement call rules. Now you have some people getting penalized for breaking the rules and some people that broke the rules not getting penalized. It's a really bad look for Nascar and right or wrong, diminishes NASCAR's credibility because someone is always going to be quick to say that Nascar is playing favorites. 475. DI9_ForLife posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Watching the highlights, Buescher really should be penalized. He forced both Hamlin and Elliott below the line on two separate occasions. Elliott didn't deserve the penalty but Hamlin I think did deserve it. I think Matt D tried to block the 24 but didn't know he was there and unintentionally shoved him below the line. NASCAR completely lost control of what could've been one of the best finishes of all time to one amazing race 476. DI9_ForLife posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We need to eliminate the yellow line rule on the last lap, especially after this horror show of a finish. All in all it was just a knee-jerk reaction to Earnhardt's death and really has done more harm than good. We've seen awesome finishes be ruined because of the inconsistencies of the rule and the rule altogether, it's time to say goodbye to the yellow line rule, NASCAR, even if only on the last lap 477. Bodyblower posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 17 has indeed been penalized. 478. Foote posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not saying you guys debating it is stupid, but the yellow line rule is. If anything it causes wrecks, like Carl Edwards flying into the catchfence in 2009. Just like the restart choose cone, some things are apparent in foresight and it's ridiculous that this line crap is still a thing. I'm glad Jones wasn't given the win. 479. Vaxen posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Other than the bs ending of the race, this was one of the best Talladega races ever. 480. JSPorts posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is ridiculous. Hamlin & Elliott both drove under the yellow line to gain positions. So, being consistent, both should be penalized. DiBenedetto's penalty is more of a gray area, because he was already moving down & the 24 didn't really even go below the yellow line (other than maybe the left front.) The 17 being penalized is ridiculous. He was already on the bottom of the track, and Chase drove underneath him to pass. Basically, this comes across as "we don't want to penalize playoff drivers or the MPD, so we're going to let Hamlin's move slide & screw Buescher." The yellow line has caused SO many more problems than it's fixed. It's caused more "judgment-call" penalties, and it's actually caused a lot of big ones or violent crashes. It's time to get rid of that rule. 481. DI9_ForLife posted: 10.04.2020 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @480, Buescher forced Elliott below the line on the last lap and he didn't pass Logano below the line. 482. JSPorts posted: 10.04.2020 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @481 ok. I know you are biased, so I won't try to argue with you, but I want consistency. I am a Chase Elliott fan too, but he deserved that penalty. I don't want to see someone else get screwed for something another driver did (though it's kind of ironic that it was Buescher, since he's been so lucky the past few weeks.) 483. RandomFacts posted: 10.04.2020 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Just get rid of the stupid yellow line rule already. 484. Zach posted: 10.04.2020 - 8:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So where is Hamlin's penalty then? Clearly NASCAR still doesn't think Buescher forced him below the line, they penalized him for doing it to Elliott instead, so what Hamlin did was technically illegal. Plain and simple. 485. Foote posted: 10.04.2020 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Talladega and Daytona are ridiculously entertaining. So are the short tracks and road courses. The intermediates suck. If nascar wants to survive, which we all want it to, the sched should be mostly Superspeedways, road courses and short tracks. Entertainment brings eyeballs which brings money. Boring 1.5 milers do not. This is another thing that's clear in foresight, but it'll probably take a decade or more for this to come into effect. NASCAR does not exactly have savvy, forward-thinking leadership. 486. Onion posted: 10.04.2020 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) lol @ all those people banging on about how NASCAR is not afraid to penalise their golden boy and it's those damn Toyoders getting away with it again Pathetic this whole situation, nothing else. At this point just reinstate everyone and call it a day. Wankers. 487. DI9_ForLife posted: 10.04.2020 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @482, I may be biased but coming from my unbiased side, Buescher did force Elliott below the line in the tri oval, just watch closely on the highlights. I will say Elliott May have hit the line passing Logano, but it's like Haley's dubious incident at Daytona, but NASCAR made the opposite call then. 488. Edwards2020 posted: 10.04.2020 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) ?Welcome to NASCAR , where everything's made up and the points don't matter" 489. Chase9Fan posted: 10.04.2020 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man. A race Chase could/should have won. But I'll take it. Survived and looks good to move on to round of 8. 490. Anonymous posted: 10.04.2020 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) These cars are so much safer than they were in 2001. The yellow line rule has caused more problems than it has prevented. Besides, these guys are gonna wreck no matter what rules you may have in place. Time to get rid of it. 491. Sector posted: 10.04.2020 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #484 Exactly, Though Buescher tried to block Elliott, Elliott then went below with the momentum anyway to make the pass. You can tell Buescher tried to go back up but Jones was already there so Buescher had nowhere to go from there. This is proof that the yellow line causes way too much confusion and chaos than it should. It's all a mess. 492. Ace posted: 10.04.2020 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like Nascar rescinded the penalty on the 9 to justify their no call on the 11. 493. Canadianfan posted: 10.04.2020 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) From Chris Knight: Inspection in the NASCAR Cup Series garage is complete. All clear. No issues. No lug nut issues. Denny Hamlin is the winner. 494. Corey posted: 10.04.2020 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) With the way these guys race, I can't imagine what no yellow line rule would do. They were already using the apron before the rule was applied in 2001. Just imagine a driver blocking someone halfway to the inside wall. All we need is for one of them to lose control and end up broadsiding the pack. 495. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.04.2020 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) 486, who do you think their golden boy is? Because it sure as hell isn't Chase, who has lost multiple races to gibbs drivers straight up screwing him and NASCAR did nothing any of those times 496. MJM posted: 10.04.2020 - 8:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @484 Buescher did receive a penalty, and rescinded Chase's. Even though I do root for Denny, I agree that he should have let up to settle for a Top 5 or 10 finish instead. 497. Anonymous posted: 10.04.2020 - 8:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @494 It's worth having more wrecked cars if it means getting the correct winner. The no line rule doesn't prevent crashes anyway so it's been proven totally useless. In fact it does more harm than good as you can plainly see. This rule needs to be dropped completely since NASCAR only enforces it when it helps one of their anointed ones. 498. BadBooking posted: 10.04.2020 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I rewatched the Buescher/Elliott deal and I'll rescind on saying Elliott deserved the penalty when clearly he didn't. I still stand on Matt getting his penalty and Denny should have been stripped of the win. 499. sloom posted: 10.04.2020 - 9:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #66 was a Ford, not a Toyota. https://twitter.com/TimmyHillRacer/status/1312894458455830529?s=20 500. Corey posted: 10.04.2020 - 9:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @497 You only see the harm and don't see the types of crashes it's prevented. They crash now with all the idiots driving. Give them more room and the idiots will use it. My fear is that we will see crashes where cars are more perpendicular to each other. The severity of those crashes can't be underestimated. They do need to do something about finishes like today, but just getting rid of the line might be a knee jerk reaction that may have more consequences then people realize. 501. MJM posted: 10.04.2020 - 9:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I saw what happened with Erik Jones and Chris Buescher in the final turns of the race, and it looked like Buescher and Jones made contact. Jones was probably irked by that, and moved down on Buescher. Hamlin happened to be there, and was forced behind the double yellow by Buescher (via Jones's move) After saying that, maybe Erik Jones should have received the penalty, and not Buescher if there was a rule about forcing 2 cars low (even if it was only 1 car below the double yellow) 502. Tarheel posted: 10.04.2020 - 9:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 500 I see your point, but maybe if given more room they'll get on the flat and get away (side to side) from the other car, maybe. If Nascar really doesn't want them going lower than a certain point, put a concrete wall there. It's really just another product of spacer/plate racing on tracks this big. 503. Anthony2 posted: 10.04.2020 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan Preece I'm told will get 11th. 504. Anthony2 posted: 10.04.2020 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually it was misinformed by the #37 team. Still gets 10th. 505. JG24 posted: 10.04.2020 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "My fear is that we will see crashes where cars are more perpendicular to each other. The severity of those crashes can't be underestimated." This reminds me of the articles Ed Hinton used to write about how soft walls would just rubber band cars back into oncoming traffic, lol. 506. Tarheel posted: 10.04.2020 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Without postseason resets, Kes, Truex, Logano, and Elliott would be having a pretty good battle for 3rd thru 6th in points, separated by 28. Hamlin would be all alone in 2nd, and Harvick would be long gone with a 128 point lead. There would also be a decent tussle for 9th thru 12th to be settled. 507. Jimmie4life posted: 10.04.2020 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I will back up my statement over the failed inspection stuff. No, I don't wish anyone fails inspection and anyone who does is salty. But, yes the call was ridiculous. You can't call that advancing your position below the line? If there was a car right beside him I'd be fine with it, but he could go back up on the track and keep racing. This might be the end of the Double Yellow Line rule. Can't fix the call, but it's life. Go back next week and race again. 508. Jimmie4life posted: 10.04.2020 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, I mentioned earlier that the cars are getting faster: 204.6 MPH for Brad Keselowski on his fast lap, which is only 1.2 MPH slower than last year's fastest lap. IDK if I'm being overly cautious, but it is creeping back up. 509. MBenoit posted: 10.04.2020 - 10:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lot of superlatives in this race. Tie for the longest Dega race in history in both laps and miles, and also the most cautions and longest time of race in track history. 510. Anonymous posted: 10.04.2020 - 10:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I see NASCAR rescinded Elliott's penalty... and they penalized Buescher for forcing him down there. So I think Elliott will end up fifth and Buescher will be 22nd. These poor guys here sure have a job doing "biggest mover" stats with this development. But big THUMBS UP they do a great job 511. Anthony posted: 10.05.2020 - 12:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyone have the fastest laps from the race? 512. Anonymous posted: 10.05.2020 - 12:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Basically the 2015 fall Talladega finish all over again. Fantastic race, awful finish. 513. Canadianfan posted: 10.05.2020 - 12:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Something I've seen a lot of people say was Denny could've come back onto the track faster and although I believed that was possible I went back and watched it several times and timed it with a stopwatch. Denny was below the yellow line for only 2.7 seconds. I timed it from the point his left front wheel passed the line to when all four wheels were back above the line. It does feel longer when you're watching it but it's not, it really is less than three seconds. 514. 1995-Subaru-WRX-Sti posted: 10.05.2020 - 12:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) You can get rid of the rule all you want but here is a little stat from Speed weeks earlier this year. From the Clash, Trucks, Xfinity, and Cup combined 80% of the field sustained "crash damage." Yeah, 8 out of 10. That is pathetic. If anyone wants to, find the percentage of the field that got "crash damage" from this weekend. Trucks, Xfinity, and Cup. 515. DM20 posted: 10.05.2020 - 12:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now that Chase Elliott had been moved back to 5th, is it possible for the loop data to be updated? 516. Ryan posted: 10.05.2020 - 12:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's unbelievable seeing all the toxic posts/comments about Denny Hamlin winning. He was forced below the yellow line and went down so he wouldn't wreck and he stayed below it a little longer than what people thought he should because if he comes back up too soon he probably still wrecks and safety becomes a concern. That and he was in a turn after being forced down on the apron going about 190 mph people, 190! Not easy just to come back up on a 33 degree track IN A TURN without wrecking. smh. I had no problem with Nascar's decision about Hamlin. Easy decision. There's a reason his car looked like it was in pristine condition and many others weren't. He and few others didn't drive like a clown. 517. Ryan posted: 10.05.2020 - 12:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @47 "I agree, I definitely expect Penske to be very strong. In the last 12 Talladega races, Penske has 8 wins & 679 laps led." But according to some, anyone can win the race and you don't have to have great equipment, RIGHT??? This year's Daytona and Talladega winners, JGR (2), Penske (1), and HMS (1). Brand name and elite equipment for sure. Today Penske led 61 laps. @322 "The fans cheered Kyle Busch crashing and booed him when he got out of the #18 afterward. Rough crowd today." As @323 mentions this isn't surprising. RaceFanX, have you ever went to a race? People don't like Busch. I went to Darlington a few years back and driver intros he got plenty of boos. More boos than cheers. Even his fans get booed at the track. Them booing him isn't out of the norm. @386 Dang Onion, wouldn't be a tool would ya? 518. CanterburySoup1983 posted: 10.05.2020 - 12:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Penalizing Marty D for a quick attempted block on the 24 but he quickly realized it wasn't possible so he quickly pulls up the track to give the 24 room. Meanwhile at the same exact second, Denny is completely below the yellow line, on the apron passing three cars. NASCAR is so pathetic stupid!!! I will not watch again rest of the season. Enough of this bs!!!!! 519. Anonymous posted: 10.05.2020 - 1:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @516 It's not toxic to call out BS. Denny clearly violated the rules, so he should not have received the win. It's that simple. 520. JSPorts posted: 10.05.2020 - 1:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) It does seem very inconsistent. What Hamlin did was more blatantly against the rules than anyone else, yet he's the guy who doesn't get penalized. 521. Jimmie4life posted: 10.05.2020 - 1:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @512 The top 5 are Brad Keselowski, 204.646 MPH, then Joey Logano, 204.380 MPH, then Hamlin, 204.297 MPH, then Martin Truex Jr., 204.271 MPH, and then Kevin Harvick, 203.671 MPH. 522. DB1995 posted: 10.05.2020 - 1:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Was a good race up until the typical Talladega fustercluck that happened after the caution for the 53. Then it just became absolute carnage like usual 523. OtherAnthony posted: 10.05.2020 - 1:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Best career finishes for Ty Dillon, Brennan Poole, Quin Houff, Joey Gase, and Cody Ware (running his first Cup race in over a year). John Hunter Nemechek equals his best career finish of 8th, and James Davison equals his best career finish of 30th for the fourth time (a disappointing day, as he likely would have finished much higher but spent many laps behind the wall with mechanical issues early in the race). Justin Haley brings it home 11th, which is his best finish outside of his lucky win at Daytona last summer. Poole's 9th-place finish is Rick Ware's first true top-10 as a Cup series owner in 282 tries. He was technically the listed owner of David Ragan's #36 in this year's Daytona 500, but that was really a third Front Row Motorsports car using the charter that they had already sold to Ware during the offseason. Final race for Brendan Gaughan, who comes home a disappointing 35th after getting caught up in the first big wreck on lap 108. He was well behind the wreck and appeared to have it missed, but Kyle Busch made an abrupt right turn to avoid Jimmie Johnson and drove right into Gaughan's path. Ryan Preece picks up his second top 10 in three races, and has finished in the top 20 in every playoff race so far, following an absolute nightmare of a regular season. A strong run for Timmy Hill in this race, in a car that was more or less a second GoFAS entry (the team partnered with Carl Long to field the #66, hence it being a Ford and carrying the Trump 2020 paint scheme). 524. danny posted: 10.05.2020 - 8:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) only 7 of the drivers in this race were not involved in a wreck one way or another that includes Michael McDowell who didn't finish due to overheating, Both Jimmie Johnson and Joey Gase were in the biggest crash of the day too this should be a 13 car wreck. As they said on the broadcast. I forgot who was the 13th car but it was 13 involved. 525. danny posted: 10.05.2020 - 8:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 4 former champions involved in the biggest crashes today. All 3 of the ones that had 6 involved or more crashed 4 of those guys were former past cup Champions. 526. Jimmie4life posted: 10.05.2020 - 8:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR needs to abolish the yellow line rule, and needs to find a way to stop all this aggressive bump drafting. First off: Drivers are confined to a space where only about 4 cars can fit in between, so when drivers have to squeeze into tight spaces and one barely slips, the whole field is doomed(How many 20+ car wrecks have happened before the yellow line rule and how many after?). It also can affect how a race is decided like today(or regan smith getting f'ed by NASCAR in 2008). Secondly: The bump drafting is getting out of hand. It seems like these guys are going 5 MPH faster than the guy they are running into and thinking it'll do well, along with all the bumping in the turns(The slip tape does help stick the cars onto the front ones better, but it won't work 100% of the time). And with lap speeds averaging to be around 196-7 MPH for a good amount of the race, when a car gets turned, it can get airborne(like both Busch brothers and Almirola). Finally: Get these cars on the ground! It seems like every superspeedway race we go to, a car gets airborne. Yes, flying cars will always happen, but do something to stop it from being this common. They hit the wall and it springs them up. Kurt Busch getting airborne and flying on top of Custer would not have happened 5 years ago. This is my 16th year in NASCAR, and I have not seen cars get this easily off the ground and spinning like they had NASCAR heat physics ever... Do something NASCAR. This is making me get nervous and not excited for going to Daytona and Talladega. 527. Jason24 posted: 10.05.2020 - 8:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I missed the race. I felt bad about that until watching the highlights. Yikes. Just plain embarassing. Thats all I can say. 528. Mile501 posted: 10.05.2020 - 8:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan Newman, Ty Dillon, and Ryan Preece all score their second top 10 finish of the season. Now, all 29 well-funded teams have at least 2 top 10s this year. Brennan Poole becomes the 35th different driver to score a top 10 finish this year. Like many others, I feel sort of disappointed that Hamlin won when so many other drivers had a rare shot at a win. But that is no fault of Hamlin's, and he drove a great, smart race. Whether or not he was penalized at the end is also not up to him. Kyle Busch is now on the outside of the Round of 8. In order to stay in the playoffs, he will need a spectacular performance next week...at a track (Charlotte Roval) where he has yet to finish a race. Unless someone like Logano or Bowman has a terrible race at the Roval, the top 8 is likely to remain as it is. 529. DI9_ForLife posted: 10.05.2020 - 8:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) After mulling it over I will say that it was the sorriest example of officiating I've ever seen. They split the difference and penalized DiBenedetto for throwing a late block and unintentionally shoving Byron below the line but they didn't penalize Hamlin for being forced although he passed 3 cars (Jones, Buescher and Byron) under the line. If NASCAR would've penalized them both, the finish wouldn't have been as big of a controversy 530. DI9_ForLife posted: 10.05.2020 - 8:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @myself, although that was a great race and the finish would've been great, NASCAR had to go ruin the finish. 531. Ryan posted: 10.05.2020 - 8:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Upon further review, going back and looking at the replay Hamlin was forced below the yellow line and really had no choice but to go below without wrecking. He even said as much in the winner's interview. When he comes back on to the track he is still slightly behind the 24 and 21 (although it wouldn't matter about the 21 because at that time NASCAR would eventually deem him as a penalized car), it's not after he gets back on the track that he clearly passes the 24. So, he didn't actually advance his position until he got back on the track (that shouldn't have mattered regardless where he was put in harm's way). The 9 had a lot momentum in the tri-oval and he was forced below the yellow line by who else the 17 who helped put Denny below the yellow line in turn 4. Chase didn't get penalized and he advanced his position after being put below it. What's the difference? At least Denny didn't advance his position. That being said, there was really not much Hamlin could do but go below the yellow line without wrecking. I don't think there was much doubt there, but if any NASCAR had to give him the benefit of it. I just noticed too if the 13 chose to help the 24 in the tri-oval instead of helping the 11 the 24 would have won. It was almost as crazy as the finish in the Spring. Oh and it wasn't enough that Clint Bowyer hit Johnson not once, but twice to make sure he started the Big One. Not sure what he was thinking. JJ actually has had some good cars at Daytona and Talladega the last few years, but has been taken out. The Golden Horseshoe came out of him after '16 Homestead. I never really liked the yellow line rule when they first put it in because of the excitement. However, if they lift it drivers on the backstretch will go well below it to make moves and you're going to have drivers doing Rusty Wallace barrel rolls on the the backstretch if they lift that rule. 532. Jimmie4life posted: 10.05.2020 - 9:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The worst best race ever... Just stupid calls ruin races, like a bad foul in an NBA game, a bad penalty in football, or a bad goal call in hockey or soccer. Obviously, you can't make the call perfect on the first instance, but you have replay(all sports do). Go back and make the call. I believe he was forced down at first, because Buescher was giving him barely room for 1 car, but he stayed down there for too long. Yellow Line Rule got more confusion than what it needed to, and ruined tons of races. Austin Dillon can make a pass with 100% of his truck below the line and no call by NASCAR, but Regan Smith gets shoved down by Tony Stewart and the call costs him his first win? Consistency won't ever stay the same, but the right call has to be made. Abolish the Yellow Line Rule. Dale Earnhardt Jr. said it best after the race was over: "I think you won't see as many wrecks without the rule than with the rule." 533. Anon posted: 10.05.2020 - 9:22 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Two unpopular opinions here: 1. Denny Hamlin basically used the equivalent of the "free play" that Aaron Rodgers has made famous in the NFL, taking advantage of the situation. Can't hate on Denny that it was allowed, kudos to him for having the awareness to take advantage. 2. Talladega should reconfigure the track to avoid this type of racing. If Phoenix and Fontana can reconfigure, so can this place. Enough's enough. Run one "plate race" a year in the Daytona 500, run the 2nd Daytona race on the Road configuration, and remove Talladega from the schedule until they reconfigure. Should NASCAR go to a championship race rotation, a reconfigured Talladega would be a good fit for a championship race too. Location, weather considerations, and facility would make it worthy. A rotation of Phoenix, reconfigured Talladega, reconfigured Fontana, Atlanta, and Texas would be a great 5-year rotation with variety. Considering they already have Martinsville pushed back so far, perhaps that could be added to a championship track rotation as well. Anyway, if I was in charge, I'd pull Talladega's 2nd race next year, give it to Kentucky, and tell Talladega to reconfigure starting immediately after the spring race, or the NextGen car will never run at the facility. Of course that won't happen, but it is what I would do (and is probably why I have no say in matters like this haha!) 534. Jimmie4life posted: 10.05.2020 - 9:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @533 Hamlin I don't think took advantage of the rule, he just was going for the win and got lucky NASCAR didn't call him for it. The problem with the 2nd thing is both a combination of newer drivers, the crash clock, and the Tapered Spacer. When running a Restrictor Plate, crash count was rarely above 10-12 before 2017, but when the 5 minute clock happened, car DNF counts went up, from 7.25 DNFs per race, to 17.75 DNFs per race. And with the plate, cars barely got enough of a run to make a pass, but with the spacer, it's all too easy. When Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, Dale Earnhardt Jr., Greg Biffle, and Carl Edwards retired, crashes went up. These are problems we can't fix and keep pack racing. Go with V6's! Cars don't go too much slower, and they are cheap and easy to modify, making superspeedways more accessible for teams. 535. ScottB posted: 10.05.2020 - 9:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wonder if Hamlin was aware of the points situation when all this happened, or just went low out of instinct. Either way, it was the right choice. Even if he had been penalized for the move, being placed at the back of the lead lap would have not taken him out of playoff position. The win is a nice bonus, but he would have been OK with or without it. 536. ScottB posted: 10.05.2020 - 10:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Other than that, I'm just going to say... NASCAR: "You can't go beneath that line, it might cause a wreck" Also NASCAR: "Let's have multiple restarts at the end of the race because fans don't want to see it end under caution." 537. DI9_ForLife posted: 10.05.2020 - 10:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) After this controversy, NASCAR has to be thinking at least a little bit about changing the yellow line rule. I'm all for what Dale Jr. and Dale Jarrett said after the race, just get rid of it altogether, so many people should have won races (Regan Smith, Matt D, Justin Haley) but didn't because of that stupid ass yellow line. And NASCAR says that abolishing it would only wreck more cars, hell, they wreck all over the place now, probably more than what they would if the line wasn't there. The only problem would be all of the runoff on the backstretch at Talladega, maybe put turf down there like they do at Charlotte?? I don't know. NASCAR, just change the rule somehow if not abolish it altogether, if it didn't exist, we wouldn't be in this scenario and this finish would be regarded as one of the best of all time. 538. Jimmie4life posted: 10.05.2020 - 10:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I doubt NASCAR will get rid of it. NASCAR doesn't care the fans are angry because, like many other sports leagues, think of this as positive feedback. The rule could've worked if it was actually consistent, but it isn't. 539. DI9_ForLife posted: 10.05.2020 - 10:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Like I said, if they don't want to get rid of it at least change it somehow, like make it legal on the last lap or something. 540. DI9_ForLife posted: 10.05.2020 - 10:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Forgetting about the finish, though, what race was better? 2019's fall race, this year's spring race or this race. I'm thinking the fall of 2019. 541. Mile501 posted: 10.05.2020 - 11:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) We have over 100 comments just on this page arguing about the yellow line rule and the end of this race. NASCAR needs publicity; they need to have people talking/arguing about NASCAR. Why would they get rid of the rule? 542. Jimmie4life posted: 10.05.2020 - 11:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @541 Why would they get rid of the rule? Maybe because it is so ticky-tacky, and sometimes they will call it, and other times they won't mind seeing a car making an illegal pass. Removing the rule will prevent drivers from being screwed over by dumb calls. 543. Mile501 posted: 10.05.2020 - 11:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @541 - You missed my point. We're all talking about the controversy at the end of race, which NASCAR most likely views as a good thing. 544. TeamDCRfan posted: 10.05.2020 - 11:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 533 No offense to you as a person, but that has to be one of the single stupidest things I've read. Pull a race that generally sells out to capacity and draws better ratings than others, and replace it with a boring round and round and round cookie cutter like Kentucky? And reconfigure? Bill France is turning in his grave. 545. A.J. posted: 10.05.2020 - 11:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sad but true, @543. Any publicity is good publicity according to some folks, and I have no doubt that NASCAR much prefers to get publicity for doing idiotic things like this, instead of being ignored entirely. This was actually a good race up until the last few seconds, and was not in need of any manufactured controversy to get good reviews but that's NASCAR for you: never waste a bullet that could be used to shoot yourself in the foot. 546. Corey posted: 10.05.2020 - 11:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @542 But can open a can of worms we don't want. I don't think abolishing it is the answer, but I do agree with 539 that modifications should be considered. The original intent for the rule was to keep the racing on the track and off the apron. I do believe if you get rid of the rule, you are more then likely going to find these guys racing below it with all the runs and blocking they do. Give these guys pavement and they'll use it if it's not illegal. 547. Randomfacts posted: 10.05.2020 - 12:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @533 Why remove the track when it produces some of the most exciting finishes in racing? Controversy or not seeing so many cars coming to the line side by side with no idea who is gonna win does not happen at very many tracks. Leave Talladega alone, the racing there is fine, just drop the stupid yellow line rule. 548. DI9_ForLife posted: 10.05.2020 - 12:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @533, Talladega needs to stay. It's a quintessential track and produces quintessential racing, the plate races may be purely based on entertainment but I love it, most of the fandom loves it, it should stay. If NASCAR announced that they were going to up and reconfigure Talladega and/or Daytona into like a half mile or even a short track, that would be the day that most of the fandom stopped following NASCAR and would be their biggest mistake 549. JSPorts posted: 10.05.2020 - 12:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That seems like the most logical response. Keep the track, drop the rule. I'm not a fan of restrictor plate racing, but I'm aware that a lot of people like big crashes and random results. 550. Jimmie4life posted: 10.05.2020 - 12:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How about this: Within the last 5 or so laps, the yellow line rule is thrown out. You can go below the yellow line as far down as you want to. I know someone won't like it, but it's an issue we'll not fix without getting someone upset. Nothing can be universally agreed on to be suitable for NASCAR. 551. Jimmie4life posted: 10.05.2020 - 1:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Prior to 2001, in those 53 years of NASCAR, there were 5 20+ car wrecks in the cup series. Since 2001, there have been 10 20+ car wrecks. All wrecks were at Superspeedways. 552. Gopher88 posted: 10.05.2020 - 1:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Irrelevant, but interesting statistical tidbit: Out of all of the drivers competing full-time for points, only Daniel Suarez and Quin Houff have not earned a top ten finish this year. 553. 1995-Subaru-WRX-Sti posted: 10.05.2020 - 1:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Prior to 2001, in those 53 years of NASCAR, there were 5 20+ car wrecks in the cup series. Since 2001, there have been 10 20+ car wrecks. All wrecks were at Superspeedways." That is utterly pathetic. Again, getting rid of the rule solves squat. You are just giving the clowns more room to cause carnage. Might as well dig up the infield grass, pave it and let the clowns use that too. When/if/never NASCAR says "hands-off", the moment a driver causes a major fluster cluck, they will demand NASCAR police them. Remember the lug nut rule? NASCAR was more than happy to let it police itself but the drivers were like "It"S a SaFeTy HaZaRd! HeLp Us!!!!" 554. Sector posted: 10.05.2020 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I do think keeping Talladega once a year should be a thing, I'd like to see them have a road course similar to Daytona. That'll be fun. 555. Z posted: 10.05.2020 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A point that hasn't been made, but pointed at by the '01 cut-off, is that drivers of the past didn't tend to make the types of moves made now b/c of the life or death danger racing carried then. The advances in safety have made drivers get to the point where that perception of danger doesn't exist, they're all too comfortable making moves that guys before would've never considered. 556. Fuzzy posted: 10.05.2020 - 2:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @533 So you'd remove a track that produces the exact sort of intense racing that is easy to sell to the masses and replace it with a place that's been a known snoozer for its whole existence... You are completely off your nut, no doubt about it. I'd make Kentucky reconfigure, lol. The main issue with Talladega is that, under the current rules, you have NASCAR's judgment calls determining the finish of the race seemingly more often than not. That's what the majority of the fans are upset about. NASCAR needs to drastically reduce or get rid of these judgment calls. So my first suggestion, naturally, is to get rid of the unnecessary yellow line rule. If it isn't there then NASCAR doesn't have to make a call on it, period. No controversy about it. Yes, I am saying that I trust the drivers' judgments more than NASCAR's. Whether NASCAR will ever be willing to yield to this view remains to be seen. As for the yellow flags on the last lap of the race, why end the race there? First off, don't throw the yellow unless you absolutely have to. But if it is needed, then line the cars up and start again, like the ARCA Series was doing. In the end, this is a business. A consensus among fans is that finishing under yellow sucks, even if it is in the interest of safety. I question why we have to sacrifice one for the other. 557. Jimmie4life posted: 10.05.2020 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In the first 7 races with a Tapered Spacer at Daytona or Talladega, we have had a car airborne 5 times, and 3 flips. In the previous 7 races before that with Restrictor Plates, 1 car got airborne, no flip. 558. Anonymous posted: 10.05.2020 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Exactly, Fuzzy. NASCAR's top priority as a business should, in theory, be to make the fans as happy as possible. 559. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.05.2020 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I feel like im the only one that thinks Dega should get a 3rd race, same with Daytona, either that for build another "restrictor plate" track Wither way if controversy getting people to talk about NASCAR is a good think they should come out today and say they messed up and are putting Hamlin at the end of the lead lap, that would get people talking 560. 1995-Subaru-WRX-Sti posted: 10.05.2020 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Exactly, Fuzzy. NASCAR's top priority as a business should, in theory, be to make the fans as happy as possible." There is a saying, perhaps you haven't heard of it "NASCAR fans aren't happy unless they are unhappy." "So you'd remove a track that produces the exact sort of intense racing that is easy to sell to the masses and replace it with a place that's been a known snoozer for its whole existence... You are completely off your nut, no doubt about it." You are off your nut because I never said replace Dega with anything. But thanks for putting words in my mouth, appreciate it. I have no idea why the fandum trusts the drivers' judgment more than NASCAR's because neither side it worthy of trust period. 561. danny posted: 10.05.2020 - 2:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes, 4 of those before 2001 were in the 90's 1990 Daytona July, 1991 Talladega April, 1997 Talladega Fall and 1998 in the Spring, don't forget the Xfinity Series had a 20 or more wreck in 1999, and they did a few times get a 20 car wreck more recently in 2017 at Daytona. and 4 times between 2002 and 2011 at Talladega. But yes 10 of those in the SuperSpeedway races after 2001. 562. DI9_ForLife posted: 10.05.2020 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't think I've ever seen a debate like this on the site before. I don't remember who it was but whoever said ?NASCAR wants this type of discussion for publicity? hit it right on the head. All this debating does is give NASCAR food for thought and publicity. It's stuff like this that displeases the fans but it's what NASCAR wants to see. It is ironic that more big (20+ car) wrecks have happened in 19 years than the previous 53, I wonder what could've caused that? 563. Anthony2 posted: 10.05.2020 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So why is Chase Elliott not 5th in the loop data? 564. David posted: 10.05.2020 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR normally does not update loop data (as far as I know) to reflect changes which take place after a race. Apparently the DiBenedetto & Elliott penalties came quickly enough after the race to be incorporated, but there's not likely to be a further update. I suppose the webmaster could adjust the data manually, but I'm not sure of that. 565. David posted: 10.05.2020 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Update: I just checked nascarmedia.com and their report matches what's here, which likely means don't bother expecting an update. 566. QFH posted: 10.05.2020 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @562 More recent superspeedway races have had larger packs than the previous races did. Back in the late '80s, and early '90s the draft was largely just 2 or 3 cars in a single file line pulled away by 3 or 4 seconds separation between "packs" if you could even call them that. Even single cars could pull away without draft support back then, recall the 1990 Daytona 500 where Earnhardt almost lapped the field before the late caution and ruckus leading to Derrike Cope's win. You don't see that kind of superspeedway racing anymore. Closest we came was 2018 with the SHR guys attempting to do that, now it's big runs and people trying to block those runs and coming across 5 lanes of traffic. 567. Corey posted: 10.05.2020 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @566 I actually remember a Daytona Xfinity race in the mid 2000's where the giant pack broke up to a point that the field looked like any other race. Dale Jr. was leading in the high line and there was nobody behind him. The other thing about the packs is that during the 80's and early 90's, the sport was still dominated by single car teams. Then it gradually shifted over to multi-car teams and alliances and the performance of the cars got that much closer. The other thing that even the older drivers have noticed is that the driver etiquette has gone downhill. We see it now in the moves they make. 568. Corey posted: 10.05.2020 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joey Logano and Denny Hamlin are currently two of the best restrictor plate drivers on the track. Joey is usually aggressive as hell throughout the entire event while Denny will back off and take the cautious approach every now and then. Well these are the finishes at Daytona and Talladega for them this year. Denny: 1, 4, 3,1 Joey: 26, 17, 27, 26 Now the stats even out a bit when looking at the last 10 races at each track, but of the finish stats (ave, LL, RAF), Denny's are a tad bit better. 569. UnderdogFan89 posted: 10.05.2020 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This is probably the most I've watched the cars coming off of turn 4 on replay ever. And after reading some more and really watching the video, I have come to the conclusion that a lot of the calls that were made were probably correct, at least in the interpretation of the rules that I understand. First incident: Turn 4 DiBenedetto: Correctly Penalized - I think the Wood Brothers even agreed, Matt made a block that pushed someone underneath the yellow line. Can we all just take a moment though and applaud William Byron for the great job he did in NOT spinning out right there though? That saved probably dozens of cars from getting torn up. Byron: Correctly Not Penalized - See above, was pushed under. Jones: Questionably but probably Correctly Not Penalized - Behind the leaders, Jones hits the wall, and then he comes down a full lane to lane and a half from the wall, forcing Buescher low, forcing Hamlin onto the apron. Jones could have theoretically been penalized for this, but there is no precedent for penalizing a car two lanes up for blocking someone below the yellow line, so this would be a case where they chose not to. Buescher: Correctly Not Penalized - If he doesn't move down, lots of cars crash again. Hamlin: Correctly Not Penalized - Was just at the tailgate of Buescher and would have spun him if he hadn't moved down below the yellow line. Coming off of Turn 4: Denny Hamlin: Questionably but probably Correctly Not Penalized - This is what people are upset about, regarding Hamlin not coming back up the track quick enough. I at first agreed, but watching again, I think he came back up as quickly as he could safely. Also, it does look like he might have passed Byron and DiBenedetto under the yellow line, but someone else pointed out that since DiBenedetto was already a penalized car at that point, he effectively does not now count for this argument, and Byron passed Hamlin back in the tri-oval. So questionable but judgment call, and in that case I would rule against penalizing someone for doing a safe thing. Tri-Oval: Chase Elliot and Chris Buescher: Questionably Penalized - This is the only one I don't agree with. The initial call was the right call. You can clearly see in the video that when Buescher comes down, he ends up completely in front of Elliot. Elliot's grill is behind Buescher's bumper. Now Elliot definitely had a head of steam that can't just disappear, but Buescher did not physically force him down. If this happened on the interstate, I'm sure the insurance companies would have a field day claiming it was the other person's fault. Who to blame is tough here. I believe NASCAR reversed their penalty on Elliot for the same reason they didn't penalize Hamlin in turn 4 - avoiding a wreck (which if he had decided to go up, his momentum would probably have carried him into Buescher or Jones). I probably would have just thrown my hands up and said nobody gets penalized. Oh well. What's interesting is with the Buescher/Elliot flip, they also flipped on who scored the most points today, with Buescher now ending up with the 10th most points and Elliot the most. I used to do those "Top 10 Points Earners" last year, but it didn't seem like people were that interested in it so I stopped posting, but I've kept doing it this year on my own. It's really interesting to look at how people score points. No matter how we feel about this race, I wish everyone's day to be as bright as the sparks coming from William Byron's splitter dragging on the apron in turn 4. 570. danny posted: 10.05.2020 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It was Blaney who was 13th car in the crash he was in 4 different incidents yesterday Ryan Blaney was the car I was thinking of we know Jimmie Johnson and Joey Gase were the others missing in the biggest crash of the day. via racing reference. 571. Zach posted: 10.05.2020 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @569 I pretty much agree with everything you said there, but one thing still bothers me about this whole thing. I understand the whole thing about Hamlin going below the yellow line to avoid an accident, but whether he was avoiding an accident or not, (which there was no accident), he still ended up passing both Buescher and Jones while below the line. So basically Hamlin found a loophole in the system and apparently it is okay to pass other cars while below the yellow line, as long as said driver is "avoiding an accident". Only problem is Buescher and Jones didn't actually crash, they just lost a bit of momentum. 572. Canadianfan posted: 10.05.2020 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @569 I timed it with a stopwatch he was below the yellow line for 2.7 seconds I don't think he could've done it any faster. 573. JSPorts posted: 10.05.2020 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree with @569's assessment of the finish. Hamlin in turn 4 was kind of hard to judge based on the angle, but NASCAR did get the Elliott/Buescher penalties right the first time. Obviously, they probably wouldn't have reversed it if any other driver were involved, but since it was Chase, they did. Of course, that's all based on NASCAR's horrible yellow-line rule, which they should do away with (at least in its current form.) 574. possum posted: 10.05.2020 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @571 - while it may "apparently be okay to pass below the yellow line if avoiding an accident", that would be contrary to NASCAR's prior precedent, where that was explicitly not an acceptable reason. Which, of course, just confirms that NASCAR makes up the rules as they go along, which isn't news. @558 - you're making a stretch to say "NASCAR as a business", since NASCAR has never figured out if they're a business or a sport (they want to be whatever the NFL is, but they don't quite know what that is). It is certainly true, tho, that for the past 20 or more years they've been focused on making non-fans happy, and largely ignoring their existing fans. 575. JSPorts posted: 10.05.2020 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @574 the precedent that NASCAR has set, and the only way in which they've been consistent, is that the top/popular drivers get helped by the rule (generally), and the little guys/unlikable drivers get hurt. 576. UnderdogFan89 posted: 10.05.2020 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @571 It was my understanding that if a driver was pushed below the yellow line, they were given time to give the position back, and if there wasn't time for that to happen safely (say, in the middle of turn 4), then it wasn't pursued. I could be way off though. 577. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.05.2020 - 8:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 575, it has less to do with likable/unlikable drivers and more to do with who the higher ups like, hamlin, busch, and Logano are all unlikable drivers but seem to get more help than guys like Harvick, Elliott, Dibenedetto, etc. 578. JSPorts posted: 10.05.2020 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lol. Harvick got bailed out by NASCAR in 2015, and Elliott got bailed out yesterday. And Logano got penalized twice yesterday. 579. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.05.2020 - 8:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) He should have won it all but lost to a guy that missed 1/3rd of the season, not sure how that's NASCAR helping him As far as Elliott getting bailed out, that's just stupid because he shouldn't have been penalized in the first place, but has lost multiple races just this year due to NASCAR looking the other way on gibbs team orders on par with spingate Logano got penalized twice for obvious rule breaking, not sure how that takes away from all the other times he has benefitted from NASCAR 580. GordonEvernham posted: 10.05.2020 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nascar helped Hamlin win yesterday. Nascar also helped Tony Stewart win in 2008 at Talladega when Stewart forced Regan Smith below the yellow line coming to the checkered. Smith won the race in the #01 for DEI but Nascar took the win and gave it to Stewart. That was Stewart's last year at Gibbs in 2008. So Nascar has done this twice at Talladega, both times handing the win to a Gibbs car. 581. Canadianfan posted: 10.05.2020 - 10:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From Adam Stern: Fox pushed @NASCAR to put more races on Sunday afternoon in '21 since those windows get 30-40% more viewers than a midweek race, per @Ourand_SBJ. ? Fox also pushed to limit offweeks, leading NASCAR to schedule second Darlington race on the previously open Mother's Day weekend. 582. Ryan posted: 10.05.2020 - 11:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @534 "These are problems we can't fix and keep pack racing. Go with V6's! Cars don't go too much slower, and they are cheap and easy to modify, making superspeedways more accessible for teams." I agree. I've been telling people for years that they should go to a V6 at Daytona and Talladega. @566 "Even single cars could pull away without draft support back then, recall the 1990 Daytona 500 where Earnhardt almost lapped the field before the late caution and ruckus leading to Derrike Cope's win." Honestly, there are two reasons why Dale had such a big lead in that race. For one, Kenny Schrader blew up and he could have gave a run for Dale's money that day, unfortunately the only thing that had anything for Dale that day was Rick Wilson's bell housing. Two, there was a very long green flag run of 142 laps and Dale was absolutely perfect that day coming on and going off pit road while his competition wasn't as good. At that time there wasn't a pit road speed limit. It helped he had a good car as well. @533 "1. Denny Hamlin basically used the equivalent of the "free play" that Aaron Rodgers has made famous in the NFL, taking advantage of the situation. Can't hate on Denny that it was allowed, kudos to him for having the awareness to take advantage." Well said. I really don't think he had much choice to get back up on the track when he did. He probably spins or hits someone if he comes up sooner. He was going 190, not easy just to come up off the apron of the track on a 33 degree turn. @569 "I think he came back up as quickly as he could safely." Well put "Also, it does look like he might have passed Byron and DiBenedetto under the yellow line, but someone else pointed out that since DiBenedetto was already a penalized car at that point, he effectively does not now count for this argument, and Byron passed Hamlin back in the tri-oval" That was me. It's hard to tell if Hamlin was actually ahead of Byron when he gets back onto the track, but he shouldn't have been forced down there in the first place and we wouldn't be having this conversation. If he doesn't go below it he wrecks them. Plain and Simple. @571 @580 "So Nascar has done this twice at Talladega, both times handing the win to a Gibbs car." Hamlin earned the win! He wasn't given anything! I agree about 2008. Final point, if he doesn't get forced below the yellow line he passes them anyways with the momentum he had and where the cars in front of him were hitting one another. You had a bad block by the 20 trying to block the 17 and the 21 running the 24 to the apron and the 20 and 17 putting the 11 on the apron. It was a free for all. 583. Corey posted: 10.06.2020 - 2:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @581 They've been running Mother's Day weekend races for years now. This was supposed to have Martinsville's night race then. Even Darlington has been on that weekend before. 584. Corey posted: 10.06.2020 - 2:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @581 I need to clarify my previous post. NASCAR has had races on Mother's Day weekend for years now, but it's always been scheduled for Saturday night. Next year will be the first time they will schedule a race on actual Mother's Day. 585. Anonymous posted: 10.06.2020 - 7:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) All this yellow line drama could be easily solved: Go below the yellow line *and cause and accident* and you get penalized. But that sort of thing isn't compatible with the NASCAR way of thinking so until that changes this is what we've got. 586. Jimmie4life posted: 10.06.2020 - 7:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The issue Ryan is that he did go below the line somewhat forced, but instead of going back up the track as soon as possible(of which it was safe to do so), he stayed down there for so long that I am shocked a penalty wasn't called for. 587. Sector posted: 10.06.2020 - 8:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I would love to see Harvick have the sole possession of winning the most races (Hamlin won for the 7th time, making him two behind Harvick now at 9 with 5 races to go). Of course, the below the yellow line aspect upset a lot of people, I'm more worried based on how fire Hamlin has been that he'll catch Harvick at this point. He starts on the pole again next week. 588. Sector posted: 10.06.2020 - 8:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Final point, if he doesn't get forced below the yellow line he passes them anyways with the momentum he had and where the cars in front of him were hitting one another. You had a bad block by the 20 trying to block the 17 and the 21 running the 24 to the apron and the 20 and 17 putting the 11 on the apron. It was a free for all." Ryan, as soon as everyone went up the track to block one another, that's when you knew Hamlin was coming. Hamlin played it smart and backed off after the restart. That goes to show the experiences paid off, and guys like Jones, Byron, even DiBenedetto were just greedy trying to block or to "get pushed." In the end, Hamlin played it smart and deserved the win. You can't fix stupid. 589. dennyfan05 posted: 10.06.2020 - 10:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @586 he was down there for 2.7 seconds he came up as soon as possible. 590. Fuzzy posted: 10.06.2020 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @588 "... guys like Jones, Byron, even DiBenedetto were just greedy... You can't fix stupid." Hold on a minute here. You call it "stupid" and "greedy" to do everything you can to notch an important win? In DiBenedetto's case, it would've been his first career win and WBR's 100th win overall, not to mention he and Jones are both fighting for their jobs next year. Also Byron was fighting for only his second career win, Buescher was fighting for his first legitimate win, etc. Throwing a desperate late block and incidentally pushing someone below the yellow line is a necessary risk you take. Put yourself in their shoes. They couldn't afford to take the same approach as Hamlin. Hamlin literally had nothing to gain by winning this event and his strategy would have made him a total non-factor had that caution not come out for the #53, which was one of the reasons it was so deflating when he won. 591. Jimmie4life posted: 10.06.2020 - 2:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @589 When he got forced down, he could've gotten back on track, but he stayed down there and passed 2 more cars. He definitely could've gotten back on track faster. Less than 1 second of those 2.7 he was on the apron, Buescher was out of the way, and Hamlin could've gotten back up on. But, he still kept racing under... Maybe you are biased, but he stayed down there for an eternity. 592. JSPorts posted: 10.06.2020 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, NASCAR let Hamlin get away with one there. Again, inconsistent in their ruling, but it was an awesome pass to watch. Just wish the rule hadn't been there to throw all this into question. 593. 1995-Subaru-WRX-Sti posted: 10.06.2020 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR let James Buescher get away with passing Brad K. (and Regan Smith) under the yellow line to win the 2012 Xfinity race after the huge melee in turn 4 coming to the checkered. He basically had his whole car below the line and passed 2 guys. If we are going by the standard set, Buescher got away with it along with Hamlin 8 years apart. 594. QFH posted: 10.06.2020 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @593 Buescher got away with it because the whole top 10 crashed, that time it was more black and white there was a crash while with Hamlin there wasn't a "crash" but the conditions were right that if something had gone wrong there would have been one. 595. Corey posted: 10.06.2020 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @594, 595 In the Fall 2012 race at Talladega, Jeff Gordon and Kyle Busch passed a whole bunch of wrecking race cars while they were below the yellow line. Even this past race saw a bunch cars go below the line to avoid crashing cars during the first big 1. 596. JSPorts posted: 10.06.2020 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The difference is that Hamlin wasn't actually avoiding a crash, he was avoiding the possibility of a crash. That opens up a whole can of worms, because now a driver could argue they were avoiding a potential crash and pass below the line (as Hamlin did.) In that circumstance, NASCAR would either have to admit they were wrong here or be inconsistent. 597. Sector posted: 10.06.2020 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #590 Perhaps I went too far but it doesn't make me wrong when Hamlin was still patience. That's why he won, while the others didn't. 598. Jimmie4life posted: 10.06.2020 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Avoiding a potential crash is fine, as long as you don't pass cars not affected by the incident(slowed down, damaged, spinning/crashing), and you get back onto the track in a timely and safe fashion. Hamlin didn't do it in a timely order(2.7 seconds and could've gone back up 1 second), and it was plenty safe for him to do so(Buescher had slid up the track, opening a lane for Hamlin who waited an extra 2 seconds to get back on track and by then was right beside the leaders). 599. Corey posted: 10.06.2020 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @598 I do believe the transition from the apron to the banking can upset the car and it might actually. Go back up too quickly like your suggesting and Hamlin could lose it in front of a pack of cars. Be safer to wait until the track starts to flatten out. I mentioned Busch and Gordon further up in 2012 and they did the same thing. Waited until the track flatten out before the got back on it. 600. possum posted: 10.06.2020 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @582 - "go to V6 engines"...I hear this a lot, and it confuses me no end. What do people think that means? It's an utterly meaningless statement. Now, maybe they mean to imply "a smaller V6 engine" (which begs the question why specify V6 and not just say "smaller engine"), but even that's a problem...Chevy used to make a 4.3l V6 that was basically 3/4 of a the 350 smallblock V8, assuming you allowed the same mods as the V8 you could easily get 650hp from it, too much for the plate tracks. So suspose you limit it to 2.5l - DTM cars ran non-turbo V6 engines of that size in the 1990s, making nearly 500hp, still probably too much for the plate tracks. And if you have to restrict the V6 regardless of size, might as well stick with a restricted V8. And it's all pretty much moot, because the problem at Daytona and Talladega isn't the engine. Make the engine whatever you want, you're going to get the same pack racing because the problem is the cars don't have to slow down for the corners. As long as everyone can run basically flat-out all around the track, they're always going to be all in one big draft. At this point, after a quarter century of people trying, you have to accept there is no solution to pack racing at Daytona and Talladega, other than tearing the track up and rebuilding it smaller. 601. possum posted: 10.06.2020 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @599 - going over the transistion makes a car understeer severely. Whether that would cause an experienced driver like Hamlin to "lose it" is a good question, altho it's worth noting that on the road course the exit of the back stretch chicane forces cars to do that exact transistion, and problems don't occur (of course, they're going slower coming out of the chicane). Certainly waiting for a flatter section would be easier and safer, as you suggest. 602. ScottB posted: 10.07.2020 - 12:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 600- Going to V6 power would also be a very expensive proposition for teams and manufacturers. There are no production line parts in a Cup engine for any of the brands. This would entail casting new block, cylinder heads, the whole nine yards. That's the opposite of where budget s need to be going to sustain the sport. 603. Ryan posted: 10.07.2020 - 7:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) @586 "The issue Ryan is that he did go below the line somewhat forced, but instead of going back up the track as soon as possible(of which it was safe to do so), he stayed down there for so long that I am shocked a penalty wasn't called for." I and others already have mentioned that it wasn't safe for him to come back up on the track. And really he didn't have to right away because he was forced down there. As someone mentioned it was like a QB getting a free play when Defensive lineman goes offsides when the ball is hiked. He was down there 2.7 seconds and if he comes back up sooner off the apron and onto the turn at 190+ he probably spins out in front of more cars causing a safety issue. Therefore, it wasn't safe then like you are saying. @591 2.7 seconds is an eternity? I never knew. You just aren't getting it. Once he was forced below the yellow line it didn't matter if there were 40 cars or 1 car that he passed. He had to be allowed a safe entry back on to the track. The 21 car no longer counted as a legal car because he would be deemed penalized at the time. So just pretend the 21 car wasn't there because he didn't matter at that time. When he comes back on to the track it is still questionable who actually is ahead (him or Byron). I don't believe he was ahead of Byron yet. I can tell you I'm not biased. I respect Denny, but he's not exactly Mr. Rogers Neighborhood. @599 "@598 I do believe the transition from the apron to the banking can upset the car and it might actually. Go back up too quickly like your suggesting and Hamlin could lose it in front of a pack of cars. Be safer to wait until the track starts to flatten out. " Thank You! @598 Really the 17 should have been penalized twice. "by then was right beside the leaders" Right, but not ahead. @600 Go to the smallest of V6 engines. They used to run V6 in Busch. They could go to 300-400 HP and that would be suitable for Daytona and 'dega. @602 Let NASCAR produce them (I know, won't happen), or let manufacturers produce them. NASCAR provides the facilities and tracks. Make it to where there are certain prerequisites to qualify in those races. In all honestly I wish they would go to V6 for all the racing. Handling would be more of an issue and I believe the racing would be better. 604. zuel660 posted: 10.07.2020 - 7:40 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) @602 agreed, there would be definitely be nothing "cheap & easy" about a wholesale engine change in Nascar, especially when you throw in all the R&D work that would be associated with it. The cost for the coming changeover to the singe lug wheels will be gargantuan in itself. 605. JSPorts posted: 10.07.2020 - 8:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wish they'd run something similar to the stock engines for each manufacturer. Then, it would provide similar strengths to what the cars actually have in real life. The Chevrolets and Fords would be faster, but the Toyotas would get better gas mileage. Camaro: 6.2L V8, 650 hp, 30 mpg Mustang: 5.0L V8, 480 hp, 32 mpg Camry: 3.5L V6, 301 hp, 41 mpg 606. Jimmie4life posted: 10.07.2020 - 9:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why is it that when NASCAR slows the package down, it goes back up in speed? We went to Talladega in June, and the fast lap was 201.223 MPH, then in August at Daytona, the fast lap was 203.046 MPH, and here at Talladega in October, the fast lap was 204.646 MPH. The fastest lap in the previous package was a 206.035 MPH lap(Daytona 500). So why does this keep happening? I don't get why or how it always keeps happening, because there really is not any changes at all to the package. 607. Fuzzy posted: 10.07.2020 - 9:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @605 No one would want Toyota since the races don't come down to gas mileage nearly often enough to make that worth it 608. Mile501 posted: 10.07.2020 - 9:57 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) @607 - Races used to come down to fuel mileage more than they do now. Stage racing has largely taken that out of the equation, which I think is a shame. Not that fans would want a lot of races to come down to fuel mileage, but having it happen on occasion can be exciting and can mix things up at the front. With stage racing, it can still happen, but far less often. 609. ScottB posted: 10.07.2020 - 10:29 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) NASCAR could set the length of the final stage so it would put cars right on the cusp of needing a final fuel stop, provided the race stayed green all the way through that segment. Not sure if I'd favor that or not. It would add an element of suspense and strategy, but I'd much rather have it occur naturally than because it was manipulated to work out that way. 610. TotallyNot52 posted: 10.07.2020 - 10:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @608 The only problem with fuel mileage wins is that it pretty much takes the skill out of racing in a similar way to superspeedways. You get winners that don't have the fastest car winning and that doesn't appeal to some fans. Doesn't the idea of wanting slower cars to win seem counter-intuitive? 611. JSPorts posted: 10.07.2020 - 10:46 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I don't like stages to begin with, but if NASCAR thinks they're really necessary, I wish they'd just eliminate stage cautions. That way, the strategy could still play out like it normally would, but drivers would also get rewarded for in-race performance. 612. Mile501 posted: 10.07.2020 - 10:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Like I said, no one wants fuel mileage races all the time, but they can mix things up on occasion. Just yesterday, I re-watched the 2003 Pepsi 400, which turned out to be a natural fuel mileage race. But it was far from certain that it would turn out that way--a single caution flag in the second half of the race would have taken fuel out of the equation, but it never came. The suspense was exciting, and it was all natural. Nowadays, planned cautions take all that natural suspense away from us. 613. Jimmie4life posted: 10.07.2020 - 10:56 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Stage racing is what led to that lap 58 crash, that lap 109 crash, the crashes on lap 13 in the trucks. I freaking hate stage racing at Superspeedways for one thing: The race is so wide open that anyone takes a chance and it backfires all to hell resulting in DNF counts bigger than the shopping list on a Sunday. It was an attempt to keep viewership up and prevent lower ratings in the middle of a race. Well guess what? It was idiotic and the only reason it stays is because of drama. Unnecessary drama. It's a way to market the sport to a younger and more causal audience. Isn't it cool that cars at 200 MPH are flying through the air like toys, and not 3500 pound vehicles? Not when you are a driver or a fan that is concerned for safety. 614. JSPorts posted: 10.07.2020 - 11:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Exactly. I'd prefer people become fans of racing for the sake of racing, not crashing. 615. Mile501 posted: 10.07.2020 - 11:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I do wonder if we still need 500-mile races, in this era where the cars are so reliable. I'd be in favor of having shorter races or more doubleheaders--maybe with one 200-mile race and one 300-mile race, or something like that. Planned cautions are not the answer, but since stage racing gives everyone (from us to TV announcers) more to talk about, I have a feeling it's here to stay. 616. Jimmie4life posted: 10.07.2020 - 11:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR's probably gonna be getting more races like 500K races such as Phoenix, or that 2nd Darlington race. The stage racing gimmick is essentially a 3 races in 1 package, so I wouldn't be shocked if they put up some shorter races to appeal to the causal audience the sport didn't need to advertise. NASCAR isn't a sport like Football or Basketball with constant action, and shouldn't be unless it's an exhibition race. But, that's just my own opinion. 617. Z posted: 10.07.2020 - 11:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stage racing always seemed to myself designed around people's shorter attention spans now vs. x20 yrs ago, similar to MLB's "pace of play" initiatives. Which is why they throw the caution rather than just score the drivers as they run. In theory, for a new fan, this *sounds fine, but in practice it hasn't worked to bring in new fans & alienated many fans NASCAR had to start w/ 618. Corey posted: 10.07.2020 - 11:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @615 They need to keep some 500 mile races, Daytona, Charlotte and Darlington are the three need to keep their distances for the big races. The problem with moving the other to 200 and 300 mile races is that it will affect the distances of the Xfinity and Truck series. You don't want to make those too short, nor do you want them with an equal length of the Cup series. 619. Jimmie4life posted: 10.07.2020 - 12:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @618 That is also the issue with the shorter races that you brought up: It would be near equidistant with the Xfinity and Truck series in length. The only races I can excuse races shorter than 300 miles are Short Tracks and Road Courses. But, I don't want to have a short 200 miler at Dover, or Phoenix. I want a race that goes on for 3-4 hours, not a quick 1.5 hour race. That should be reserved for the lower series or for an Exhibition, not a top tier points paying race. The top series of NASCAR is grueling for both the competition and the overall length of the race. Don't shorten races, and if you do, only do it to like 2 or 3. 620. Rexrobe posted: 10.07.2020 - 12:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It would be a welcome change, IMHO, to go back to the system where the 500 mile or 500 lap races were reserved for the signature/premier events each year. With 36 races, having 10-12 of those events would be enough to not cheapen the schedule but also allow for some shorter races. I think a good system would be to have the "default" race length be 400 miles or 400 laps, with around 10 500 mile/500 lap events, and the second dates at each track be 300 miles or 500k. 621. Mile501 posted: 10.07.2020 - 12:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Cup had a 200-mile race followed by a 300-mile race within the same weekend, it's still 500 miles, just split between two races. I see both sides here. I am a traditionalist, personally, but I do wonder if 500-mile races are still necessary, as reliable as the cars are nowadays. Back in the day, it was a true test of man and machine--but not so much anymore. For what it's worth, most F1 races are about 1.5 hours long. 622. GoRC10 posted: 10.07.2020 - 1:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @621 For once, I agree with you. The Coke 600 needs to be eliminated as well. Either that, or NASCAR loosens the engine rules, allowing for more speed in exchange for less reliability. 623. 1995-Subaru-WRX-Sti posted: 10.07.2020 - 2:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Why is it that when NASCAR slows the package down, it goes back up in speed?" It isn't hard to figure out, teams have the brains and money to bring it back. Even after one or two races with a rules package, the teams will figure it out. Like when NASCAR removed a lot of downforce off the cars in 2016 the racing was great but as the teams got their brains and arms around it, the racing got worse. It is not hard to figure out. "Not when you are a driver or a fan that is concerned for safety." Considering how the clowns on track drive (with no sense of self preservation) and how fans cheer for crashes. NASCAR isn't the only party that doesn't care about safety. "Stage racing always seemed to myself designed around people's shorter attention spans now vs. x20 yrs ago" It is a proven fact that soceities attention span has dropped, same for NASCAR fandums attention span. Scott Miller said that NASCAR isn't happy about the crashing at superspeedway races. Now he would say that because: 1. he is a idiot (which he is) 2. the team owners went to NASCAR and complained. Team owners can stop this crap easily, take away money from your bulls in a china shop when they cause mass chaos. 624. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.07.2020 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Let's just get rid of stage racing altogether, or at least get rid of the yellow and lower the points earned, points given out should more or less match finishing position 625. Sector posted: 10.07.2020 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #624 Or just give the race winner max points at 60 no matter how they ran during the stages. So a win makes up for a bad race overall. For example, Denny Hamlin should have 60 points here despite scoring no stage points. If he had scored, let's say... 48 points due to stage points, he still only gets 60. Even if a driver, let's say Chase Elliott, wins the first two stages, finishing second to Hamlin would only grant him 55 points max. 626. NASCARfan05 posted: 10.07.2020 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's not just that, why should guys that win stages and finish in the back get as many points as a guy that finishes in the top 5 627. possum posted: 10.07.2020 - 7:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @605 - years ago I suggested that NASCAR should allow diesel engines in the Truck series, for manufacturers who offered one. Give the teams the choice of more power from a gas engine, or running the whole race without stopping with the diesel (an idea which almost worked for Cummins at Indy one year). @620 - there's something to be said for that idea. Altho I don't think 500 lappers on the short tracks is a problem, so maybe just apply it to the tracks 1 mile and up. @621 - by rule an F1 race is at most 2 hrs long. They purposely try to have them end 15 or 20 minutes short of that, so that if something goes wrong they can still get the full race distance in. Fans tend not to like it if races end "early" because of the time limit. @622 - I've been arguing that for years. One reason NASCAR is not as exciting as it once was is it's too predictable. Back in the day you had to watch the whole thing because you never knew if your guy would break (or, perhaps, the guy he was chasing would break) right before the end. Less reliable engines would be a great thing. @626 - right. Winning should mean something! After all, that's susposedly the reason we're stuck with the Chase instead of a simple season championship. 628. Canadianfan posted: 10.08.2020 - 7:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) From ShowBuzzDaily: Sunday's race had 3.100 million viewers on NBC. Last year's race which was held on Monday, October 14th due to rain had 1.536 million viewers on NBCSN. 629. Altracing posted: 10.08.2020 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Don't know if this was mentioned with all the comments about the finish but Ryan Newman got his first top ten finish since he finished 9th when he had that horrible crash in the Daytona 500 earlier this year. 630. Ryan posted: 10.11.2020 - 10:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @608 Good point. I felt like they would never happen, ironically though the first ever race with stages resulted in a fuel mileage race and that was the 2017 Daytona 500. @611 Yep, they can still do stage racing without the stage cautions. Just keep the race green and give points out like they do now as you mentioned. We already have competition yellows a lot of the time. It would still be interesting. You could still have possible moments like when Dale Jarrett stayed out longer than he should have at the 1998 Brickyard 400 just to get the half way money, he got the money but ran out of fuel on the backstretch and lost four laps in the process and made up all of them with the help of cautions which was still harder than it was today. He had the field covered that day. You could have a situation where a stage is about to end but could be close on fuel, the team and driver would have to decide on whether to come in or stay out to get the points. @618 Yeah, keep all the major races. Talladega 500 (although one of the Talladega races could be 400 miles/150 laps or even 600k/140 laps), keep the Coke 600 (just for tradition), Daytona 500, and Southern 500. Martinsville could be 400 laps. A lot of the tracks have already cut down on miles/laps the last decade or so (Dover, California, Pocono, Charlotte 500 went to Roval), so I expect to see some tracks go to 500k for their races (Atlanta, first Darlington race, etc.) Doubt without Covid-19 that NASCAR goes to these shorter distances right way. I believe they eventually would have, but the Covid-19 kind of sped up the process. 631. Sector posted: 10.11.2020 - 11:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #630 Well, now that I think about it the cautions does change things up a bit as far as stage finishing orders are concern. Without the caution, and if it does go green all the way in stages 1 and 2 without the stage cautions; Would we just see a sweep most of the time? Like a Denny Hamlin win at Homestead in 2020 or Kyle Busch at Fontana in 2019? Even more so the 2019 Martinsville wins by Brad Keselowski or Martin Truex, Jr? 632. Dennyfan05 posted: 10.23.2020 - 10:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Timmy Hill became the 300th driver to lead a lap in the modern era. Cody Ware became the 299th. 633. NASCAREnthusiast posted: 04.12.2021 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 48 was involved in the lap 110 caution. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: